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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ha,<br>
       If we see one cent I would be very surprised . The money they are
      talking about im sure is all earmarked for regulation and
      enforcement   of the new regime.  As well as education inside
      government for access seekers as to what info they can get. <br>
      <br>
      Oh not to forget the TV Ad campaign telling the public why we need
      it. <br>
      <br>
      Wasn't this government committed to slashing read tape. I guess
      just another lie. <br>
      <br>
      If we see one cent in compensation other then the normal tax
      deductions I will dance naked on a table at the next IXAU drinks.
      - Come to think of it that's not much of a threat - disregard my
      last. <br>
      <br>
      Matt<br>
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      On 24/03/2015 10:16 pm, Mark Newton wrote:<br>
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      <div>No. Brandis was asked about that tonight in the Senate. He
        says it's cabinet-in-confidence, and a matter for the budget.</div>
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      <div>They're going to wing it.</div>
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      <div>   - mark</div>
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        <div>On 24 Mar 2015, at 10:10 pm, Russell Langton <<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:russell3901@gmail.com">russell3901@gmail.com</a>>
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            <div>Hi All,<br>
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            /Apologies if this is general knowledge, but havn't seen
            anything.<br>
            <div><br>
              <div>Following the previous industry letter, is there any
                confirmation about the breakdown in costs of who will
                pay?<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:41 PM,
              Geordie Guy <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com" target="_blank">elomis@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                <p dir="ltr">The bill will pass tonight. Much, much too
                  little, much, much too late.</p>
                <p dir="ltr">With any luck someone will pass an
                  ammendment to cover the costs of AusNOG subscribers
                  ordering new business cards with "Government Storage
                  Administrator" as the title.</p>
                <p dir="ltr">Well done guys.</p>
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                    <div class="h5">On 24/03/2015 7:47 PM, "Shane
                      Chrisp" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:shane@2000cn.com.au"
                        target="_blank">shane@2000cn.com.au</a>>
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                          Thought this may be of interest to those who
                          have not seen it.<br>
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                          Regards<br>
                          Shane<br>
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                          <div><br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/go-dark-against-data-retention/go-dark-against-data-retention?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email"
                              target="_blank"><img
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                                src="http://cdn.getup.org.au/image_7889_full.jpg?t=njyZ5SjZD"
style="min-height:auto;max-width:600px;width:100%"></a> <br>
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                            Shane – <br>
                            <br>
                            It's happening. The Government's data
                            retention scheme looks set to pass the
                            Senate tonight, with Labor's support. If
                            this happens, it's a terrible outcome for
                            Australians, and the media and
                            whistleblowers who keep us informed. <br>
                            <br>
                            This scheme is rushed, costly, ineffective,
                            and against the public interest. A lazy
                            amendment from the ALP - purportedly to
                            prevent this dodgy data bill from having a
                            freezing effect on the media - has as many
                            holes in it as a slice of Swiss cheese. It
                            leaves journalists and whistleblowers
                            largely unprotected,<sup>1</sup> and will
                            see every one of us treated as a potential
                            suspect. Essentially, it punishes the wrong
                            people. But as the Government and Labor team
                            up to rush the legislation through the
                            Senate, we have a way of getting their
                            attention by illustrating just how
                            problematic this bill really is. <br>
                            <br>
                            <b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/go-dark-against-data-retention/go-dark-against-data-retention?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email"
                                target="_blank">Can you join us in
                                'going dark' against data retention
                                tomorrow to protest the Government's
                                dangerous and ineffective scheme?</a></b>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            The message we're sending is clear. In its
                            haste to rush these broad sweeping laws, <b>the
                              Government's costly scheme has targeted
                              all of us while ignoring just how easy it
                              is to circumvent data retention.</b> The
                            truth is, anyone who wants to protect their
                            privacy (yes, this includes people with
                            something to hide) has a huge range of
                            perfectly legal options to do so, including
                            simply avoiding Australian service
                            providers. Now that's just bad for business!
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            The impact of this is that Australians
                            familiar with technology will easily be able
                            to protect their data, while those that
                            aren't as comfortable with newer technology
                            will bear the brunt of the risks associated
                            with data retention. <br>
                            <br>
                            <b>Across Australia tomorrow, citizens will
                              be showing the government and Labor that
                              this law will be another costly white
                              elephant that doesn't make us any safer.</b>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <b>Click here to sign up and learn how to go
                              dark: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/go-dark-against-data-retention/go-dark-against-data-retention?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email"
                                target="_blank">http://www.getup.org.au/dark</a></b>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Alycia, for the GetUp team. <br>
                            <br>
                            PS: If you've just got a moment, <b><a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cdn.getup.org.au/991-PROF-PIC-%281%29-%281%29.jpg?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email"
                                target="_blank">change your Facebook and
                                Twitter profile picture to this image to
                                help spread the word.</a></b> <br>
                            <br>
                            PPS: Even the Government's Communications
                            Minister Malcolm Turnbull understands how
                            important metadata is and how easy it is to
                            avoid scrutiny. He has fessed up to using an
                            instant messaging app which avoids
                            retention, and joked last year that private
                            networks (VPNs) could be used to circumvent
                            data retention laws. By contrast, our Prime
                            Minister recalls never being that worried
                            about metadata back when he was a journalist
                            in the 1980's... at a time that pre-dated
                            widespread internet and mobile phone use.<sup>2</sup>
                            Go figure! <br>
                            <br>
                            <i>References</i> <br>
                            <br>
                            [1] Data retention plan amended for
                            journalists, but is it enough? The
                            Conversation, 20th March 2015. <br>
                            [2] Data retention: Journalists' union
                            labels Tony Abbott's defence of metadata
                            protections 'ludicrous', ABC News, Wednesday
                            18th March 2015.<br>
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