[AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

[Beeson, Ayden]

So forgive my ignorance, but what is stopping you smaller guys joining the Comms alliance? If it's cost, perhaps you'd be best served by raising that with them and getting a tier / tiers implemented that suit your smaller ISP status, even if it's at a different member level, at least you'd be "at the table"

The difference between you guys and the onion guys is they have a single voice that represents them all, I think you'd be better served trying to unify your voices rather than looking at alternative arrangements and fragmenting.

Cheers,
Ayden
(Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may have occurred)

On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:11 pm, James Morgan <James.Morgan at vernet.com.au<mailto:James.Morgan at vernet.com.au>> wrote:

To be fair, both do have the tendency to bring tears to your eyes.

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Nick Stallman
Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 1:05 PM
To: Jake Anderson; Mark Newton; Ross Wheeler
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

Difference in scale. Onions don't have Telstras and TPG's.

They'd be paying the bulk of any industry fees under most measures.
And without them in the group there probably isn't much point.
On 19/03/15 12:59, Jake Anderson wrote:
On 19/03/15 12:43, Mark Newton wrote:
This morning if you were watching ABCnews24 Breakfast, you would have seen the National Onion Growers Association getting nation-wide TV coverage via an interview with their lobbyist in Canberra. They’re smaller businesses than virtually any small ISP. Their entire industry is smaller than the small-ISP industry. They have a national association with a lobbyist in Canberra, and a couple of days ago they had the PM munching down on their product when he was at one of their sites to promote it. You guys don’t. - mark
Just to put some numbers to this

http://www.onionsaustralia.org.au/about-onions-australia/index.htm
there are ~380 onion growers
They pay $4 per tonne to the org, (production cost of a tonne is ~$361)
gross value of production per annum $181M so they make 501385 tonnes of onions give or take
So they are netting $2M to run their industry body.

How much would you pay per user/some-other-measure for your industry body?





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