[AusNOG] Welcome to Metadata Retention

[Brad McGinn]

That is a brilliantly interesting TED talk.

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From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Mark ZZZ Smith
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2015 3:44 PM
To: Kai; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
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At least in my opinion, the key and fundamental objection to all of this is that the government are choosing not to respect our privacy by default.

If you want to see why or show somebody why privacy is important, I think Glenn Greenwald's TED presentation is excellent:


"Why privacy matters"
http://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matters?language=en

Youtube version if the above doesn't work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcSlowAhvUk


Transcript:
http://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matters/transcript?language=en


While I think CC'ing is amusing, I don't think it is really demonstrating the importance of the privacy the government is taking away. It is mostly a DoS attack, although it is indirectly providing the metadata that the government wants to collect.

I think a better demonstration would be to have many people use the Freedom of Information Act to request government metatdata. The point of using FOI for this wouldn't be for the normal reasons of FOI, as described at


http://www.oaic.gov.au/freedom-of-information/about-freedom-of-information

The point of it would be to show what it is like to be watched by default. Who is watching the watchers? The answer would now be


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c

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From: Kai <vk6ksj at westnet.com.au>
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2015, 16:00
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As someone as just pointed out in off-list message he probably doesn't personally check that address, his PA probably checks it for him but it's still funny...and even if he doesn't "get the message", his department might.
They want metadata, they can have the whole message, complete with HTML encoding and massive atachments. Should keep his inbox "active".




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From: "Paul Julian"
To:"Kai" ,
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Sent:Mon, 2 Mar 2015 15:54:45 +1100
Subject:RE: [AusNOG] Welcome to Metadata Retention

LOL, that's gold

"People Are CCing George Brandis Into All Their Emails Because Data
Retention Means He’ll Read Them Anyway"

Maybe an option would be to just send all the data to the government
and let them do the storage, no warrants, no retention issues, no
extra costs, just a dribble of drivel 24x7 to their storage servers
and they can use whatever they want of it, that would solve most of
the problems people are saying they will have with storage of data.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of
Kai
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2015 3:47 PM
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How appropriate :P
http://junkee.com/people-are-ccing-george-brandis-into-all-their-emails-because-data-retention-means-hell-read-them-anyway/52190

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