[AusNOG] ICANN to bring an end to TLD privacy?

[Shane Short]

Hi Mark,

Given the constant amount of crap I get to any of the domain listed on 
my domain/apnic whois e-mails, I'd tend to disagree (We have specific 
e-mails for those, so we can tell exactly what's coming in).
But that's not what this is about-- this is yet another case of rights 
holders trying to skirt the law and collect a person's information 
without any legal due process so they can continue doing speculative 
invoicing.

I agree with Brad here, I'm happy for the registrar to have my 
information and I'd be happy for them to give out that information if 
there is a lawful request for it-- but I don't see why it has to be 
publicly splashed all over whois.

-Shane


Mark ZZZ Smith wrote:
> While I understand the desire for privacy, I'm not sure it is as much 
> of an issue in this case as people might think it is.
>
> I've had a number of domain names registered to me with this email 
> address, my mobile number and my PO BOX(es) since 2002.
>
> I do receive quite a lot of spam to this email address, but then again 
> I've been using it quite publicly for many years, including on a 
> number of public mailing lists and in open source code that also gets 
> published on web pages. So I can't attribute spam I've received 
> specifically to my domains' whois information.
>
> I haven't had any issues with having my mobile number listed, and I've 
> had the same mobile number since 1995. On very rare occasions I've 
> received SMS spam, however I couldn't attribute that to my whois 
> details. Neither have I had any issues listing my PO BOX - I can only 
> think of a few pieces of mail I've received over the years that I 
> definitely could attribute to being sent because of my whois 
> information. I would recommend a PO BOX to hide where you actually 
> live though, if you're going to publish your mailing address publicly 
> (as I have done in a number of Internet Drafts).
>
> It is my understanding that the existing "privacy" service that 
> registrars offer is achieved by them actually registering the domain 
> name in their name, and then letting you use it i.e., it isn't 
> actually your domain name, it is theirs. I think I read a while ago 
> about a dispute between a customer and a registrar, where the 
> registrar was in the wrong, but they wouldn't let the customer have 
> the domain and the customer couldn't get the domain because it wasn't 
> actually registered in their name.
>
> Regards,
> Mark.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Brad Peczka <brad at bradpeczka.com>
> *To:* "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 25 June 2015, 15:39
> *Subject:* [AusNOG] ICANN to bring an end to TLD privacy?
>
> At the behest of organisations such as MarkMonitor, ICANN is 
> considering a policy change whereby domain holders with sites 
> associated to "commercial activity" will no longer be able to protect 
> their private information with WHOIS protection services.
>
> The text of the proposal can be found on ICANN's website at 
> https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-initial-05may15-en.pdf
>
> Something worth noting is that the definition of 'Commercial Activity' 
> appears to be quite wide, and will likely encompass a number of 
> sole/small traders who operate under their own name, rather than a 
> business. I personally feel that the auDA approach hits the happy 
> medium - protecting a large amount of information from being publicly 
> accessible, while still being able to see what entity is in control of 
> a domain name.
>
> If you're interested in commenting, the close date for submissions is 
> 7th July... so get typing!
>
> Regards,
> -Brad.
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