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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Hi Mark,<br>
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Given the constant amount of crap I get to any of the domain listed on
my domain/apnic whois e-mails, I'd tend to disagree (We have specific
e-mails for those, so we can tell exactly what's coming in).<br>
But that's not what this is about-- this is yet another case of rights
holders trying to skirt the law and collect a person's information
without any legal due process so they can continue doing speculative
invoicing.<br>
<br>
I agree with Brad here, I'm happy for the registrar to have my
information and I'd be happy for them to give out that information if
there is a lawful request for it-- but I don't see why it has to be
publicly splashed all over whois.<br>
<br>
-Shane<br>
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<span>Mark ZZZ Smith wrote:</span><br>
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<div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica
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Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"><div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10005">While I understand the desire for
privacy, I'm not sure it is as much of an issue in this case as people
might think it is.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10005"><br></div><div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10005" dir="ltr">I've had a number of
domain names registered to me with this email address, my mobile number
and my PO BOX(es) since 2002.</div><div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10005" dir="ltr"><br></div><div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10005" dir="ltr">I do receive quite a lot
of spam to this email address, but then again I've been using it quite
publicly for many years, including on a number of public mailing lists
and in open source code that also gets published on web pages. So I
can't attribute spam I've received specifically to my domains' whois
information.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10005" dir="ltr"><br></div><div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10005" dir="ltr">I haven't had any
issues with having my mobile number listed, and I've had the same mobile
number since 1995. On very rare occasions I've received SMS spam,
however I couldn't attribute that to my whois details. Neither have I
had any issues listing my PO BOX - I can only think of a few pieces of
mail I've received over the years that I definitely could attribute to
being sent because of my whois information. I would recommend a PO BOX
to hide where you actually live though, if you're going to publish your
mailing address publicly (as I have done in a number of Internet
Drafts).</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10005" dir="ltr"><br></div><div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10005" dir="ltr">It is my understanding
that the existing "privacy" service that registrars offer is achieved by
them actually registering the domain name in their name, and then
letting you use it i.e., it isn't actually your domain name, it is
theirs. I think I read a while ago about a dispute between a customer
and a registrar, where the registrar was in the wrong, but they wouldn't
let the customer have the domain and the customer couldn't get the
domain because it wasn't actually registered in their name. </div><div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10005"><span><br></span></div><div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10005"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10584">Regards,</span></div><div
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10005">Mark.</div><br> <div
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16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10008"> <div style="font-family:
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Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10007"> <div
dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10006"> <hr
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10039" size="1"> <font
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10011" face="Arial" size="2"> <b
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10582"><span style="font-weight:bold;"
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10581">From:</span></b> Brad Peczka
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:brad@bradpeczka.com"><brad@bradpeczka.com></a><br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10010"><span
style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10009">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">"ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"><ausnog@lists.ausnog.net></a> <br> <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 25 June 2015,
15:39<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
[AusNOG] ICANN to bring an end to TLD privacy?<br> </font> </div> <div
class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435196695268_10012"><br>At the
behest of organisations such as MarkMonitor, ICANN is considering a
policy change whereby domain holders with sites associated to
"commercial activity" will no longer be able to protect their private
information with WHOIS protection services. <br><br>The text of the
proposal can be found on ICANN's website at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-initial-05may15-en.pdf"
target="_blank">https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-initial-05may15-en.pdf</a><br><br>Something
worth noting is that the definition of 'Commercial Activity' appears to
be quite wide, and will likely encompass a number of sole/small traders
who operate under their own name, rather than a business. I personally
feel that the auDA approach hits the happy medium - protecting a large
amount of information from being publicly accessible, while still being
able to see what entity is in control of a domain name.<br><br>If you're
interested in commenting, the close date for submissions is 7th July...
so get typing!<br><br>Regards,<br>-Brad.<br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG
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