[AusNOG] Data Retention Workshop - Tuesday 28th July

[Paul Wilkins]

Andrew,
The simple answer is, if you put an IP on a CE, you're a CSP. Otherwise,
it's whatever the CAC can bully you into. Most small providers won't lawyer
up even if backed into a corner.

(I am not a lawyer. This is not expert opinion)

Paul Wilkins

On 29 July 2015 at 10:37, Andrew Yager <andrew at rwts.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> Sorry for not replying yesterday; we were in the thick of it when you
> emailed in.
>
> Overall, the event went well. Those that were in attendance can offer
> their own unbiased opinion - but certainly the feedback I had was that it
> was very positive and useful in terms of understanding the DR legislation
> and how to develop DRIPs.
>
> We took some videos at the event yesterday which we'll be making available
> in the next day or so, including David's presentation and some other bits
> and pieces. We'll also put together a summary of the workshop where we
> looked at:
>
>    - An MPLS WAN network
>    - A hosted e-mail service
>    - A MDU apartment complex/CGN NAT scenario
>
> and dragged out the relevant services, and highlighted some of the common
> data you would need to collect for these relevant services; and also
> pointing out some of the common areas where people might need to make
> system changes to get there. It may take me a little while to get through
> documenting these back as I do need to do some of my day job™ every now and
> then :)
>
> Once again, a big thank you to everyone who was able to attend and
> contribute to the discussion, and a big thank you to Dell for hosting us
> yesterday and helping to cover a substantial portion of the cost of running
> the event. Can I also highly recommend the WAIA event being run next week
> in a similar fashion that will also be online streamed.
>
> One area that I think can be explored more… We spent a fair bit of time
> yesterday discussing the edge cases of what is or is not a CSP. David and
> the people in the room pointed out a number of scenarios where normal
> businesses may in fact be Carriage Service Providers, that we would not
> normally have considered as such - and I think that around the small
> provider end of the world there is a number of small companies and
> providers that are not sure if they are technically a CSP as far as the
> law. One of the suggestions was that it may be beneficial for one or more
> of the industry associations to put together a "guide" on how to determine
> if you are a CSP - i.e. "if you do XXX,… you are a CSP" "if you do YYY, you
> are probably a CSP", "if you do ZZZ you need to seek legal advice as to
> whether you are or are not a CSP".
>
> Any questions, bounce back on list - I'm sure anyone there would be more
> than happy to contribute back into the discussion on list.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
>
> On 28 July 2015 at 12:20, Richard Ham - Lists <rich-lists at edit-co.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew, List,
>>
>>
>>
>> Any chance we can get some feedback on how the event is going and what
>> major points are being discussed for those who couldn’t join in?
>>
>>
>>
>> With Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
>> Yager
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 23 July 2015 12:39 PM
>> *To:* Geordie Guy
>> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Data Retention Workshop - Tuesday 28th July
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect that everyone on this list is well aware of the desire to do
>> this "cheaply" with minimum "rights invasion" and aware that the
>> legislation is dumb.
>>
>>
>>
>> -SNIP-
>>
>
>
>
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