[AusNOG] Job: Head of Network Operations - NEXTDC - SydneyC

Tue Feb 24 15:46:32 EST 2015

Hi Guys,

I'm looking for a Network and Systems engineer for Melbourne. If anyone's
interested contact me off list.

On Tuesday, 24 February 2015, Diogo Montagner <diogo.montagner at gmail.com>
wrote:

> One thing I value the most when doing technical interviews is identifying
> the attitude and behaviour of the candidate under different circumstances.
> I agree this is quite difficult to analyse through a phone interview but
> what I always look for in the candidate is how quick he can learn new
> things, adapt to changes and the approach to solve problems that are
> outside of his comfort zone.
>
> And yes, you still need to check his technical knowledge too.
>
> Surely experience is important, but how the candidate built his
> experience, IMO, is the key factor. This will tell you how fast the
> candidate can master a topic and how he may fit in the position you are
> offering.
>
> ./diogo -montagner
>
>
>
>
>
> ./diogo -montagner
> JNCIE-SP 0x41A
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Ross Annetts <
> ross.annetts at digitalpacific.com.au
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ross.annetts at digitalpacific.com.au');>>
> wrote:
>
>>  I have had some experience in interviewing new network engineer
>> candidates (at final stages of testing technical ability) for the web
>> hosting space where a variety of skills is preferred.
>>
>> I think the term Jack of all trades can imply "master of none" and
>> shouldn't be used loosely in a resume or interview, as we all have limited
>> time and energy it is an uphill battle trying to be an expert in all things
>> and can indicate spreading yourself thin. I think you clearly need to excel
>> in a specific need of the employer and then supplement this with a variety
>> of skills/experience, having your resume reflect this as well as the way
>> you present yourself. Do your research on the company and what they do
>> before hand, what hardware/systems they use etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ross
>>
>>
>> On 22/02/2015 3:10 pm, Michael Wheeler wrote:
>>
>> I'm yet to find a company that is ok with "jack of all trades" resume in
>> Melbourne out of the 50+ jobs I've applied for. Apparently showing any sort
>> of interest outside of Network Engineering results in your resume being
>> thrown out.
>>
>>  Anyone aware of any jobs that might be lurking around Melbourne? At
>> this stage I'd be willing to answer phones for a NOC.
>>
>> On 22 February 2015 at 13:25, Cameron Ferdinands <cameron at jferdinands.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cameron at jferdinands.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 I wrote out this long reply but this pretty much.... nail....
>>> head.. Especially about "jack of all trades" fitting into large
>>> networks well, very well. When I look around this is a commonality of
>>> our best people.
>>>
>>> > Apply for positions at your dream company, even if you think you might
>>> not cut it. Many/most of my colleagues never thought they'd get the job,
>>> but did.
>>>
>>> Absolutely, what do you have to lose? Worst case you get a job offer
>>> to present to your boss for that raise.
>>>
>>> The other note, virtualization of network equipment has never been
>>> easier, and if you run out of compute there's plenty of that on tap
>>> now (<shameless plug> AWS </shameless plug>) if you want those 400
>>> routers, that's within your reach for less then $50 for a couple of
>>> hours. -- If you have issues getting $50 together for AWS, do let me
>>> know.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 February 2015 at 14:02, Ben Buxton <bb.ausnog at bb.cactii.net
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bb.ausnog at bb.cactii.net');>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I will chime in here, I've interviewed well over a hundred network
>>> engineer
>>> > candidates for Google (hi Phil!). Some personal thoughts here...
>>> >
>>> > On Sun Feb 22 2015 at 9:14:36 AM Skeeve Stevens
>>> > <skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skeeve%2Bausnog at theispguy.com');>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm seeing a massive amount of foreign application these days (90%)
>>> but
>>> >> equally missing relevant experience and the certifications rarely
>>> seem to be
>>> >> as 'solid' as locals.
>>> >>
>>> >> What strategies are Google/AWS using to find good candidates locally
>>> - if
>>> >> you don't mind telling us?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I think I've found your problem.
>>> >
>>> > 90+% of the world's network engineers live outside Australia, so it
>>> only
>>> > makes sense that you will get a substantial number of applications from
>>> > overseas.
>>> >
>>> > My experience tells me the following generalisations (there are
>>> exceptions):
>>> >
>>> > - Certs are a poor signal that someone may be a good candidate.
>>> Candidates
>>> > with and without certs are equally likely to perform well in a
>>> technical
>>> > interview and job. All it tells me is that they can memorise and
>>> rattle off
>>> > the vendor literature. In fact, I tend to find that those with large
>>> cert
>>> > counts are particularly poor candidates as they seem to lack actual
>>> > experience and cant work through oddball real-life problems.
>>> >
>>> > - The location of a candidate has no correlation with how good they
>>> are.
>>> > There are equally good candidates from around the world. You need to
>>> seek
>>> > locally first to get a 457 i think, but there's only 1% of candidates
>>> > locally.
>>> >
>>> > - Candidates who have worked in large companies can often have very
>>> narrow
>>> > experience due to siloing. They may have just touched the firewalls,
>>> or the
>>> > access side, or the peering edge. Whereas often candidates from
>>> smallish
>>> > companies/networks often have had to be "jack of all trades" and their
>>> > dealing with knock-on effects across infrastructure mean they can
>>> quickly
>>> > become brilliant engineers at large networks.
>>> >
>>> > So by excluding (or strongly biasing against) foreign candidates, those
>>> > without certs, and those from smaller companies, you have just gone and
>>> > dropped your pool of quality engineers by 90%. There's your problem.
>>> >
>>> > Go and find good engineers by speaking with them about interesting
>>> > engineering challenges rather than first looking for CCIE numbers. And
>>> be
>>> > open to global candidates.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Or... what advice would you give to engineers who might be missing in
>>> some
>>> >> experience, to help them fill the gaps?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Be curious. Turn on interesting protocols in a lab and fire up
>>> > wireshark/tcpdump on them. Break them in interesting ways (and see what
>>> > tcpdump shows). Write some software to do tedious tasks for you.
>>> >
>>> > Dont just memorise the cert cram material. This becomes really obvious
>>> to a
>>> > seasoned interviewer.
>>> >
>>> > Apply for positions at your dream company, even if you think you might
>>> not
>>> > cut it. Many/most of my colleagues never thought they'd get the job,
>>> but
>>> > did.
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunately it seems you may need certs to get past some resume
>>> > screeners...but you probably wont be happy working for those companies.
>>> >
>>> > BB
>>> >
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>> Regards,
>> Ross Annetts
>>
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