[AusNOG] Who are these people nominating for APNIC EC?

[James Spenceley]

.... and there it is, MMC agreeing with Skeeve.

Now I have seen everything !

James


> On 22 Feb 2015, at 09:15, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I’m mostly with Skeeve here.
> 
> Saying “APNIC should do this” sounds more like a lack of understand about what APNIC actually are doing through a lack of involvement than a platform.
> 
> MMC
> 
>> On 21 Feb 2015, at 12:40 pm, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> Firstly - Some? Hundreds of us would be members. Do you know how many Australian members there are?
>> 
>> Secondly. IPv6 socialisation?  How much do you know about what they've already done?  Are you talking about Australia or across all 56 economies?  Why do you see Australia as more important than the other couple of billion people under APNIC?
>> 
>> APNIC has been supporting hundreds of initiatives over the years, including the IPv6 Summit run in Australia for years, and including the recent national roadshow.
>> 
>> Personally I don't think APNIC should be supporting any IPv6 awareness in first world countries which can support it themselves.  APNIC resources are extremely scarce and should be focused of where it will have the greatest impact.  Australia can afford to promote it itself, can afford to buy IPv4 on the open market and can easily afford any equipment that needs to be upgraded.... in comparison to the dozens of smaller economies who are struggling even for basic connectivity, much less afford kit, training as well as deal with the many other issues.
>> 
>> IPv6 is not an APNIC problem.  It is a business problem.  Users do not want to pay for it. They don't care if www.website.com is on v4 or v6. Because users don't care, and because there is no killer app, businesses find it hard come up with a business case that makes sense - apart from they will run out themselves at some point.
>> 
>> IPv6 lack of uptake falls squarely on ISPs (across the first world) themselves.  If they'd found it within themselves to roll it out, slowly dealing with the costs, training, implementation) then it just would naturally happen - which it is.. just very slowly.
>> 
>> Is it APNIC's responsibility to train people on Web 2.0? New Linux? New Windows? SDN? Then why should they do it for IPv6?
>> 
>> ISOC (and chapters around the world)/APNIC and many other organisations have done significant evangelism of IPv6 over a lot of years, Google, Facebook, others rolled it out, and the needle moves slowly no matter what. In the end, users (95%+) don't care..
>> 
>> 
>> So, Jonathan - how to you proposed to change this by burning more of APNIC's precious resources?
>> 
>> 
>> What has been your involvement in APNIC policy process so far?  Have you proposed any policy? Been on any SIG committees?
>> 
>> 
>> Why do you feel going straight to EC is an appropriate move as opposed to being involved in the community?
>> 
>> 
>> How do you feel your experience in domains and hosting will help you with large scale network operations, global internet security issues, net neutrality, internet governance and so on?
>> 
>> 
>> ...Skeeve
>> 
>> --
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>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 3:45 AM, Jonathan Gleeson <jonathan at jonathangleeson.info> wrote:
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> Noticed  this thread from a few days back.
>>> 
>>> Let me answer the question, I'm one of the guys. I've been involved in the domains and hosting industry for the past 10 years. In that time I've spent a significant period as senior and executive level technology leadership.
>>>  
>>> I was nominated by a colleague  and decided to stand for election to the EC. I know some of you are APNIC members or have relationships with members. I appreciate any votes you guys can send my way. As a member of the EC I would like to see APNIC invest in further socialization of the IPv6 transition and the IANA Stewardship situation both of which have little general public information available and are issues which could ultimately change the shape of the Internet as we know it. 
>>> 
>>> I feel that APNIC needs to invest in campaigning for better public awareness across the region on issues such as these. If anyone with voting rights wants to chat more let me know.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
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