[AusNOG] Data retention definitions

[John Lindsay]

I think you're confusing cause and effect. 

John Lindsay

> On 26 Sep 2014, at 1:40 am, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
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> Is this John Brandis, our Attorney General a complete idiot?
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> I bet once the terror alert is reduced these laws won't be repealed.
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> ...Skeeve
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>> On 26 September 2014 01:56, Ben Grubb <bgrubb at fairfaxmedia.com.au> wrote:
>> More fun on this front
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>> From The Australian:
>> ONLINE communication sites including social-media services Twitter and Facebook will be drawn into a planned updated version of the federal government’s anti-terror data-retention push.
>> ....
>> “Data-retention obligations should not be limited to licensed carriers but should also extend to any entity that provides communications services to the Australian public,” the paper says.
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>> 
>> Regards,
>> Ben Grubb
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>>> On 31 August 2014 13:14, Tom Berryman <Tom at connectivityit.com.au> wrote:
>>> Seems as though we are getting some clarity on who will have access to our stored metadata:
>>> 
>>> http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/security-it/australia-reaching-for-more-metadata-lets-some-slip-20140828-109jjf.html
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>>> EVERYONE and ANYONE!
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>>> Tom.
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>>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens
>>> Sent: Saturday, 30 August 2014 10:34 AM
>>> To: Bevan Slattery
>>> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Data retention definitions
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>>> Ice Bucket Metadata Challenge?  Nah... people would wimp out :)
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>>> ...Skeeve
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>>> On 30 August 2014 09:12, Bevan Slattery <bevan at slattery.net.au> wrote:
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>>> We as an industry should get our **** together, come up with an advertising campaign that illustrates the problem and in simple writing/video and email the 3,000,000 subscribers/users that we have apart from Telstra and Optus.
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>>> We should have a "metadata" day in which we undertake significant activities such as all change our our home pages to a metadata landing page to draw attention to this with a video demonstrating the issue at large.
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>>> Posting to AUSNOG is not going to help and don't expect businesses to get involved because we haven't helped them understand why they should be concerned.
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>>> [b]
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>>> On 30 Aug 2014, at 8:47 am, David Beveridge <dave at bevhost.com> wrote:
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>>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:
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>>> The group of businesses in this forum will only be tasked to store the data if the proposal gets up.
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>>> The proposal is less likely to get up if there is a broad campaign against it.
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>>> You're talking about post apocalyptic practicalities. I'm talking about showing leadership to make sure the war doesn't start in the first place.
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>>>    - mark
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>>> Perhaps we should be getting the business community behind this effort.
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>>> I'm sure corporates and small business alike are not geared up to collect and store all this data.
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>>> From memory, the requirement is that all "entities" be required to store the "metadata".
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>>> I can see any reason why any "entity" who runs a NAT gateway would be exempt from this.   
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