<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I think you're confusing cause and effect. <br><br><div>John Lindsay</div></div><div><br>On 26 Sep 2014, at 1:40 am, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Is this John Brandis, our Attorney General a complete idiot?<div><br></div><div>I bet once the terror alert is reduced these laws won't be repealed.<br><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>...Skeeve</div><div><br></div><div><div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve Stevens - </b><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div><div><div><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px"><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><font><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; <a>skype://skeeve</a></p><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> </p><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank">twitter.com/theispguy</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> ; blog: </span><a href="http://www.theispguy.com/" target="_blank">www.theispguy.com</a><br></p><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><img src="http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png"><br></p><p style="margin:0px"><span style="color:rgb(127,0,127);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The Experts Who The Experts Call</span></p></font></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(127,0,127)"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">Juniper - Cisco </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- Cloud</span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- Consulting</span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- IPv4 Brokering</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 26 September 2014 01:56, Ben Grubb <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bgrubb@fairfaxmedia.com.au" target="_blank">bgrubb@fairfaxmedia.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">More fun on this front<div><br></div><div>From <a href="https://t.co/Om7r7GZ8dE" target="_blank">The Australian</a>:</div><div>ONLINE communication sites including social-media services Twitter and Facebook will be drawn into a planned updated version of the federal government’s anti-terror data-retention push.<br></div><div>....</div><div><p style="margin:10px 0px 14px;line-height:22px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Times New Roman',sans-serif;font-size:19px">“Data-retention obligations should not be limited to licensed carriers but should also extend to any entity that provides communications services to the Australian public,” the paper says.</p></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Regards,</div><div>Ben Grubb</div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 31 August 2014 13:14, Tom Berryman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Tom@connectivityit.com.au" target="_blank">Tom@connectivityit.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 30 August 2014 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bevan Slattery<span><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Data retention definitions<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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