[AusNOG] Avoiding the NBNco

Wed Sep 3 07:40:12 EST 2014

As far as I know NBN are still tweaking the packages for MDU (multi-dwelling units) and at the moment are custom designing and building to suit.

Option 1. NTU(s) installed into MDF

This option would suit the below, i.e. customer would just use another port on the NTU.

This option also caters for the shopping centres that wish to resell services

Also assumes there is adequate building cabling for cross connects.

Option 2. NTU delivered into individual units.

Leased unit has NTU in their shop and is able to order NBN from any RSP.

Option 3. Mix of the above.

This option is suited for where the building owner wants all NTU installed into the MDF (or comms room) but where there are requirements to provide services to such devices as ATM’s, whose engineers may not be comfortable using building cabling.

All three options assumes that FTTP is being delivered, I’m not sure yet on FTTN/B.

We are looking at option 1 for a project we have coming up.

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From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Cox
Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2014 1:26 AM
To: Mark Currie
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Avoiding the NBNco

There is only one valid reason I'm aware of to do this that doesn't just involve earning yourself money and/or providing a different type of service.

In some locations where a business space or accommodation can be taken for short time periods, the current business/resident may opt to sign up for a 3 (or more) year contract to get a cheap service for their business/room. They then leave just a few weeks or months later and the service is now no longer being paid for and the line is still connected and registered under that person's name (who has either gone back overseas, or skipped town etc etc etc). Someone else wants to come in and either a) they can't hook up their own service as there is now an connection under contract that's not been paid for on the existing line and can't be cancelled because no-one at the location is able to speak on the users behalf or b) in some cases the telco decides to bar the line from being utilised for any alternative service until the outstanding bill has been paid.

If a centre operator / accommodation provider wants to protect themselves against things like this then they have to prevent it and bring in something they have more fine grained control over.

Just my 2c.

- Andrew

On 2 September 2014 16:55, Mark Currie <MCurrie at laserfast.com.au<mailto:MCurrie at laserfast.com.au>> wrote:
Some shopping centre operators (such as some DFO sites) like to operate as a mini-isp/telco, and basically provision an Ethernet tail/direct dial PBX into the shop, and charge the shop for the privilege. We have a customer with a some shops in DFO's and some are basically forced to connect using the onsite PBX / Ethernet and they are a pain in the bum as the rest of the network is MPLS, so we have to put a VPN tail back to corporate firewall for them. Also, can you say "Price gouging", but because it is part of the rental "package", you cannot complain.. I know one DFO site was running on a 4Mb EoC tail (may have upgraded to 10Mb) to cover all the shops, it was bloody slow...

Mark Currie

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From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] On Behalf Of Brad Gould
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Avoiding the NBNco

Apart from protecting the commercial interests of the landlords/incumbent telco, why would that be a good idea?  Seems to be rather detrimental to the consumer?

"Dislike" does not equal either a valid reason or lawful excuse to refuse a low impact facility.

Brad

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Subject: [AusNOG] Avoiding the NBNco

'Noggers -

Does anyone know whether a shopping centre operator is able to bar the NBNco from building in to the shops therein?

Sounds odd I know however, interestingly, some operators dislike the idea of the NBNco coming in!

Thanks
-P
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