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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As far as I know NBN are still tweaking the packages for MDU (multi-dwelling units) and at the moment are custom designing and building
to suit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Option 1. NTU(s) installed into MDF
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This option would suit the below, i.e. customer would just use another port on the NTU.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This option also caters for the shopping centres that wish to resell services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also assumes there is adequate building cabling for cross connects.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Option 2. NTU delivered into individual units.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Leased unit has NTU in their shop and is able to order NBN from any RSP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Option 3. Mix of the above.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This option is suited for where the building owner wants all NTU installed into the MDF (or comms room) but where there are requirements
to provide services to such devices as ATM’s, whose engineers may not be comfortable using building cabling.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All three options assumes that FTTP is being delivered, I’m not sure yet on FTTN/B.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We are looking at option 1 for a project we have coming up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Cox<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 3 September 2014 1:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mark Currie<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Avoiding the NBNco<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is only one valid reason I'm aware of to do this that doesn't just involve earning yourself money and/or providing a different type of service.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In some locations where a business space or accommodation can be taken for short time periods, the current business/resident may opt to sign up for a 3 (or more) year contract to get a cheap service for their business/room. They then leave
just a few weeks or months later and the service is now no longer being paid for and the line is still connected and registered under that person's name (who has either gone back overseas, or skipped town etc etc etc). Someone else wants to come in and either
a) they can't hook up their own service as there is now an connection under contract that's not been paid for on the existing line and can't be cancelled because no-one at the location is able to speak on the users behalf or b) in some cases the telco decides
to bar the line from being utilised for any alternative service until the outstanding bill has been paid.<br>
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If a centre operator / accommodation provider wants to protect themselves against things like this then they have to prevent it and bring in something they have more fine grained control over.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just my 2c.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2 September 2014 16:55, Mark Currie <<a href="mailto:MCurrie@laserfast.com.au" target="_blank">MCurrie@laserfast.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some shopping centre operators (such as some DFO sites) like to operate as a mini-isp/telco, and basically provision an Ethernet tail/direct dial PBX into the shop, and charge the shop for the privilege. We have a customer with a some shops
in DFO's and some are basically forced to connect using the onsite PBX / Ethernet and they are a pain in the bum as the rest of the network is MPLS, so we have to put a VPN tail back to corporate firewall for them. Also, can you say "Price gouging", but because
it is part of the rental "package", you cannot complain.. I know one DFO site was running on a 4Mb EoC tail (may have upgraded to 10Mb) to cover all the shops, it was bloody slow...<br>
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<span class="hoenzb">Mark Currie</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Brad Gould<br>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014 4:42 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Avoiding the NBNco<br>
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Apart from protecting the commercial interests of the landlords/incumbent telco, why would that be a good idea? Seems to be rather detrimental to the consumer?<br>
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"Dislike" does not equal either a valid reason or lawful excuse to refuse a low impact facility.<br>
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Brad<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Paul Wallace<br>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014 16:02<br>
To: <a href="mailto:curtis@bayne.com.au">curtis@bayne.com.au</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
Subject: [AusNOG] Avoiding the NBNco<br>
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'Noggers -<br>
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Does anyone know whether a shopping centre operator is able to bar the NBNco from building in to the shops therein?<br>
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Sounds odd I know however, interestingly, some operators dislike the idea of the NBNco coming in!<br>
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Thanks<br>
-P<br>
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