[AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing

[Joseph Goldman]

It becomes tricky with VISP providers - The EU is marketed as Provider A 
but Provider A is nothing but a billing system and a phone for support, 
where they wholesale through Provider B who provides termination, 
transit, IP's etc - would Provider A need their own data retention or 
Provider B? If Provider B as the VISP provider is required to hold, then 
he will need to hold the information for every connection for every 
VISP, does this mean they then need access to the end users personal 
information? Etc etc.

Its a damn slippery slope and I'm not looking forward to it.

If it comes down to who, on what IP at what time, and keeping SMTP logs, 
then OK i could live with that. Much further and its just going to be 
burning money for what I see as no real gain for any law enforcement agency.

On 30/10/14 15:44, Matt Perkins wrote:
> That's the $100,000 question. The answer is I need to pay a lawyer to
> find out and those costs will either come out of the mouths of my family
> or be passed onto my customers.
>
>
>
> On 30/10/2014 3:42 pm, Andrew Yager wrote:
>> Or is service provider the CSP who terminated the service?
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Thursday, 30 October 2014, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au
>> <mailto:matt at spectrum.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>>     I would be interested to see paragraph 187A(4) of the act.  It
>>     seems to indicate that
>>
>>     This item will only apply to the service provider operating the
>>     relevant service: So does that mean we need to know who chatted to
>>     who on facebook for example but facebook is the service provider
>>     so they would be the people that would need to get the info. Not
>>     the ISP. The ISP could not be expected to break an encryption do
>>     get the info.
>>
>>     So im thinking a lot of this will be "who is the service provider"
>>     .  Is it skype, Is it facebook, Is it the guy providing the copper ?
>>
>>     Matt.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 30/10/2014 3:26 pm, Paul Julian wrote:
>>>
>>>     I think something more than a lay down is needed James J
>>>
>>>     I like 5 as well, I am now think that we will have it easy
>>>     compared to a mobile carrier, they will have to comply with it
>>>     all, NATT’ed IP’s across towers, logs of handovers as the user
>>>     moves from tower to tower, available bandwidth once they change
>>>     towers and how much the user used for down and up at each tower,
>>>     wow, seriously complicated and intensive stuff I would think.
>>>
>>>     So who was it that said this isn’t anything to worry about ?
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>>     *From:*AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net');>] *On
>>>     Behalf Of *James Morgan
>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, 30 October 2014 3:21 PM
>>>     *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog at lists.ausnog.net');>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a
>>>     thing
>>>
>>>     I’m a particular fan of:
>>>
>>>     5. The type of communication or relevant service used in
>>>     connection with a communication
>>>
>>>     The following: (a) the type of communication; Examples: Voice,
>>>     SMS, email, chat, forum, social media.
>>>
>>>     I’m just a little worried.  What about web forums that have a
>>>     chat room?  Or email services that have an instant messaging
>>>     component?  Or social media that has a chat component?
>>>
>>>     I think I need to lay down.
>>>
>>>     James.
>>>
>>>
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