[AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing

[Andrew Yager]

This was precisely my comment before.

The lack of clarity is in fact the worst thing.

Andrew

On Thursday, 30 October 2014, Andrew Ehrhardt <andrew at miclub.com.au> wrote:

>  It's concerning at how open to interpretation the retention rules seem
> to be. What entities are going to be required to collect this information?
> Are small businesses going to have to keep email server logs? What about
> machine generated communications (e.g sms alerts or reminder emails)?
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> Cheers,
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> Andrew.
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net');>] *On
> Behalf Of *James Morgan
> *Sent:* Thursday, 30 October 2014 12:21 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing
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> I'm a particular fan of:
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> 5. The type of communication or relevant service used in connection with a
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> The following: (a) the type of communication; Examples: Voice, SMS, email,
> chat, forum, social media.
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> I'm just a little worried.  What about web forums that have a chat room?
> Or email services that have an instant messaging component?  Or social
> media that has a chat component?
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> I think I need to lay down.
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> James.
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
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> Behalf Of *Matt Perkins
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> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing
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> Wow number 3 is a bit hard. How would we work out the destination of a
> skype call for example ?
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> Matt
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> On 30/10/2014 3:08 pm, Ben Cooper wrote:
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>  Draft Data set here:
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/244951610/Data-Retention-Draft-Data-Set-301014
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> Looks like more than "just some IP addresses".
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> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Ross Wheeler <ausnog at rossw.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog at rossw.net');>> wrote:
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> On Thu, 30 Oct 2014, Matt Perkins wrote:
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> That fact's seem to be that this legislation will pass without
> consultation outside the gang of 4 at least and there is little if anything
> we can do about it. So the conversion should really switch to. What
> technically do we need to do to meet the requirements of the legislation or
> instruments. Can we clearly define that so people in our industry can work
> to a place where we can all provide the same information and be sure that
> we have not missed something that will cause grief down the track.
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> My local federal member has just replied to me with (in part):
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> "Telecommunications companies will have up to two years to fully implement
> the scheme.
> To prevent any further erosion of data, industry will be required to at
> least maintain their current practices for holding data during
> the implementation period.
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> The Government is prepared to pay a reasonable share of upfront capital
> costs associated with the implementation of the data retention
> scheme."
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> So, despite their earlier "assurances" that there is no requirement to
> retain things like websites accessed etc, that is absolutely NOT preculuded
> as being a (subsequent) requirement, as has been said on this list earlier.
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> That is, this is absolutely "narrow end of the wedge" legislation, almost
> certainly subject to "feature creep" (or "scope expansion") over time.
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> There is a great deal we (the numerical majority) are not privy to. I
> suspect (some of) the "gang of 4" have a lot more specific information than
> the rest of us are permitted to know. The secrecy, haste and ignorance
> surrounding this entire thing scares me. (I had written "astounds me" then
> changed it to "surprises me" but in honesty with the calibre of politician
> (and public servants) we have now (and have had for quite some time), it
> neither surprises nor astounds me).
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