[AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing

[Matt Perkins]

If it's just source IP to username stuff im happy with that. It's just 
the radius logs after all. There seems to be a grey area around email. 
Let's see what happens there email logs  would not be the end of the 
world.  It's how much responsibility do we have for customer end points 
worry's me. For example.

We provide a connection to customer X with a managed firewall. Customer 
X has 2000 employees and 1 Ip address that's internet facing. Are we 
required to be able to identify customer X's employee Y based on the IP. 
Or is it good enough to say it's customer X.

The rest i dont really care about. We do it anyway for billing. However 
it does complicate my grand CGN idea... ( back to the old drawing board)

Also what penalties are in place if we loose or otherwise for some 
reason not able to identify a customer. Could we go to jail for a hard 
disk crash ? What's the liability.

Matt.



On 30/10/2014 12:02 pm, David Beveridge wrote:
> I was listening to the parliament broadcast on the radio this morning 
> and (boring I know)
> but I definitely heard Malcolm say that we not be required to record 
> the destination IP addresses that customers visit, only the source IP 
> address mapping.
> That is, we should be able to supply the account name of the customer 
> who had the IP address at a given date and time.
>
> I'm not really sure where this leaves freewifi providers which have a 
> multitude of unknown users behind a single IP.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Ben Cooper <ben at zeno.io 
> <mailto:ben at zeno.io>> wrote:
>
>     Last I checked (90 minutes ago). They still have not set what data
>     they want kept.
>
>     Reference:
>     http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22legislation%2Fems%2Fr5375_ems_e6cf11b4-5a4e-41bc-ae27-031e2b90e001%22
>
>     On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:54 AM, David Beveridge
>     <dave at bevhost.com <mailto:dave at bevhost.com>> wrote:
>
>         I don't know why you're so upset about this.
>         They're only asking you to keep radius and smtp logs.
>         It's not like you're being asked to keep two years worth of
>         netflow history.
>
>         dave
>
>         On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Paul Julian
>         <paul at oxygennetworks.com.au
>         <mailto:paul at oxygennetworks.com.au>> wrote:
>
>             This is total bullshit, these people just have no clue, is
>             there nothing we can do as a community to try and stop
>             this nonsense ?
>
>             I can just see the $$$$ now.....
>
>             Regards
>
>             Paul
>
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>             *Subject:* [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now
>             (almost) a thing
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