[AusNOG] Offsite Storage

Wed Nov 26 16:37:32 EST 2014

I wouldn't worry too much, whatever ASIO doesn't have, the NSA has 
already acquired.
Backup to Utah is guaranteed, whether you like it or not.
Getting it back for recovery purposes is likely problematical.
 From my perspective, the duplication of data across a zillion different
backup strategies and formats, aside from the Big Brother stuff, ensures
that data remains ( in some manner or another) forever.
Why worry?
Keep calm, and carry on.

On 26/11/2014 6:15 p.m., Nick Stallman wrote:
> Doesn't ASIO report to the US overlords so anything in Australia 
> belongs to the US anyway? :P
>
> For our servers (Databases + Files) we use duplicity to do incremental 
> backups straight to Amazon S3 in Sydney.
> That ticks the off site box but doesn't cover off line which isn't a 
> priority for us.
>
> We only keep daily backups for 2 months so we don't use Glacier but we 
> could reasonably easily if we wanted to.
> Glacier is tape storage (hence the retrieval delays/limits and price) 
> so clearly AWS still thinks its a player.
>
> On 26/11/14 15:50, Jacob Gardiner wrote:
>> That doesn't matter, they're a U.S. company and still subject to the 
>> patriot act even when operating outside the U.S.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 26, 2014, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker 
>> <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com <mailto:Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Where do AWS store this data as in which governments’ laws come
>>     in to play. Do AWS have tin in Australia and can you make the
>>     data stay only in Australia?
>>
>>     Alex
>>
>>     *From:*Barry Murphy [mailto:barry at vibecommunications.co.nz
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','barry at vibecommunications.co.nz');>]
>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 3:19 PM
>>     *To:* Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Peter Tiggerdine
>>     *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog at lists.ausnog.net');>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage
>>
>>     Sounds like a small amount of data, tried Amazon S3 or something
>>     similar?
>>
>>     Amazon allows you to ‘mount’ a virtual tape drive in their cloud
>>     and you can set it to have 7 tapes and rotate them daily etc.
>>
>>     See
>>     http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway/
>>
>>     You can then have backups older than X days go into glacier
>>     rather than the more expensive S3 if you wanted.
>>
>>     Kind regards,
>>
>>     *Barry Murphy* / *Chief Operating Officer*
>>
>>     *From: *Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com');>>
>>     *Date: *Wednesday, 26 November 2014 5:10 pm
>>     *To: *Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ptiggerdine at gmail.com');>>
>>     *Cc: *"ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog at lists.ausnog.net');>"
>>     <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog at lists.ausnog.net');>>
>>     *Subject: *Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage
>>
>>     Yes
>>
>>     My current investigation is small amount of data ~ 10-20G of core
>>     data.
>>
>>     We are happy with our current backup regime but we don’t account
>>     for malicious loss of data. IE all the backups are available on
>>     the network somebody can delete everything online.  Offsite gives
>>     you protection from that.
>>
>>     Currently the old tape backup unit isn’t functioning, we are
>>     looking at around ~10-15K for a server / storage / drive /
>>     tapes.  I could also but some external HD’s, write to them over
>>     nite and then ship them off during the day. With the cost of SSD
>>     and their size coming down that’s even more attractive.
>>
>>     What I would really like is some virtual tape library available
>>     over Mega Port, where somebody else looks after tape management
>>     or virtual tapes, as long as I need some process which includes
>>     authorisation to bring the tapes back on line. But at the right
>>     price J
>>
>>     Alex
>>
>>     *From:*Peter Tiggerdine [mailto:ptiggerdine at gmail.com
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ptiggerdine at gmail.com');>]
>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:57 PM
>>     *To:* Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
>>     *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog at lists.ausnog.net');>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage
>>
>>     Pundits have being declaring this for 20 years and it still
>>     hasn't happened.
>>
>>     Tape has it's place as does D2D backup.
>>
>>     The answer to your question is "it depends" on "
>>
>>     Organisation size and maturity.
>>
>>     DR Plan
>>
>>     Backup/Recovery Plan
>>
>>     Budget
>>
>>     On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
>>     <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi
>>
>>     Wondering what people are doing for offsite store / backups.
>>     Looking at
>>     http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out
>>     LTO tapes sales are down.  People are backing up to disk.
>>
>>     But what are people doing for offsite. Removable HDs ?
>>
>>     Alex
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