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I wouldn't worry too much, whatever ASIO doesn't have, the NSA has
already acquired.<br>
Backup to Utah is guaranteed, whether you like it or not.<br>
Getting it back for recovery purposes is likely problematical.<br>
From my perspective, the duplication of data across a zillion
different<br>
backup strategies and formats, aside from the Big Brother stuff,
ensures<br>
that data remains ( in some manner or another) forever.<br>
Why worry? <br>
Keep calm, and carry on.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/11/2014 6:15 p.m., Nick Stallman
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Doesn't ASIO report to the US overlords so anything in Australia
belongs to the US anyway? :P<br>
<br>
For our servers (Databases + Files) we use duplicity to do
incremental backups straight to Amazon S3 in Sydney.<br>
That ticks the off site box but doesn't cover off line which isn't
a priority for us.<br>
<br>
We only keep daily backups for 2 months so we don't use Glacier
but we could reasonably easily if we wanted to.<br>
Glacier is tape storage (hence the retrieval delays/limits and
price) so clearly AWS still thinks its a player.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/11/14 15:50, Jacob Gardiner
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CALS0sQEsStM48C9HhZM_PArPRefjQ+jaLZfL5xq57_1Vgc02wA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">That doesn't matter, they're a U.S. company and
still subject to the patriot act even when operating outside the
U.S. <span></span><br>
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On Wednesday, November 26, 2014, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <<a
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href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Where
do AWS store this data as in which governments’ laws
come in to play. Do AWS have tin in Australia and can
you make the data stay only in Australia?</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Alex</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> Barry Murphy [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','barry@vibecommunications.co.nz');"
target="_blank">barry@vibecommunications.co.nz</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 26 November 2014 3:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Peter
Tiggerdine<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');"
target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Sounds
like a small amount of data, tried Amazon S3
or something similar?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Amazon
allows you to ‘mount’ a virtual tape drive in
their cloud and you can set it to have 7 tapes
and rotate them daily etc.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">See <a
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href="http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway"
target="_blank">http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway</a>/</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">You
can then have backups older than X days go
into glacier rather than the more expensive S3
if you wanted.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#7f7f7f">Kind
regards,</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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style="line-height:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Barry
Murphy</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> / </span><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#ff9e01">Chief
Operating Officer</span></b><span
style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Alex
Samad - Yieldbroker <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com');"
target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 26 November 2014 5:10 pm<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Tiggerdine <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ptiggerdine@gmail.com');"
target="_blank">ptiggerdine@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');"
target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');"
target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Yes</span><span
style="color:black"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">My
current investigation is small amount of data ~
10-20G of core data.</span><span
style="color:black"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We
are happy with our current backup regime but we
don’t account for malicious loss of data. IE all
the backups are available on the network
somebody can delete everything online. Offsite
gives you protection from that.</span><span
style="color:black"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Currently
the old tape backup unit isn’t functioning, we
are looking at around ~10-15K for a server /
storage / drive / tapes. I could also but some
external HD’s, write to them over nite and then
ship them off during the day. With the cost of
SSD and their size coming down that’s even more
attractive.</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">What
I would really like is some virtual tape library
available over Mega Port, where somebody else
looks after tape management or virtual tapes, as
long as I need some process which includes
authorisation to bring the tapes back on line.
But at the right price </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span
style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Alex</span><span
style="color:black"></span></p>
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style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> Peter Tiggerdine [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ptiggerdine@gmail.com');"
target="_blank">mailto:ptiggerdine@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 26 November 2014
2:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Samad - Yieldbroker<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');"
target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Offsite
Storage</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Pundits
have being declaring this for 20 years and
it still hasn't happened.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Tape
has it's place as does D2D backup.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The
answer to your question is "it depends" on
"</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Organisation
size and maturity.</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">DR
Plan</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Backup/Recovery
Plan</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Budget</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On
Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Alex Samad -
Yieldbroker <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com');"
target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi<br>
<br>
Wondering what people are doing for
offsite store / backups. Looking at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out"
target="_blank">
http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out</a>
LTO tapes sales are down. People are
backing up to disk.<br>
<br>
But what are people doing for offsite.
Removable HDs ?<br>
<br>
Alex<br>
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