[AusNOG] Offsite Storage

Wed Nov 26 16:23:59 EST 2014

Potentially, but i doubt it. 

Why do you think the EU has attempted to strengthen their data privacy laws for US backed cloud providers?

You obviously need a local entity to operate in the country, but the Patriot act has a strong reach :)

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/case-study-how-the-usa-patriot-act-can-be-used-to-access-eu-data/8805

http://euobserver.com/justice/118857

Stick to AU clouds and you’re at least only having to deal with clandestine NSA operations rather than the DOJ.

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On 26 November 2014 at 4:14:06 pm, Peter MacGee (peter at macgee.org) wrote:

That’s potentially a very misleading comment to make… certainly not a position that I would blanket assert with regards to all US headquartered entities without knowing the detail behind a particular provider's company structure.

If AWS are anything like we are here at Rackspace, then the local entity will be an Australian company. We are therefore bound and abide by the same legislation as any other wholly owned Australian company/business. 

It’s a myth that folks like myself and the data centres under our charge are subject to US legislation any more than the next Australian business.

Thanks,
Pete.

From: Jacob Gardiner <jacob at jacobgardiner.com>
Date: Wednesday, 26 November 2014 3:50 pm
To: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>
Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage

That doesn't matter, they're a U.S. company and still subject to the patriot act even when operating outside the U.S.  

On Wednesday, November 26, 2014, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com> wrote:
Where do AWS store this data as in which governments’ laws come in to play. Do AWS have tin in Australia and can you make the data stay only in Australia?

Alex

From: Barry Murphy [mailto:barry at vibecommunications.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2014 3:19 PM
To: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Peter Tiggerdine
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage

Sounds like a small amount of data, tried Amazon S3 or something similar?

Amazon allows you to ‘mount’ a virtual tape drive in their cloud and you can set it to have 7 tapes and rotate them daily etc.

See http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway/

You can then have backups older than X days go into glacier rather than the more expensive S3 if you wanted.

Kind regards,

Barry Murphy / Chief Operating Officer

From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>
Date: Wednesday, 26 November 2014 5:10 pm
To: Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com>
Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage

Yes

My current investigation is small amount of data ~ 10-20G of core data.

We are happy with our current backup regime but we don’t account for malicious loss of data. IE all the backups are available on the network somebody can delete everything online.  Offsite gives you protection from that.

Currently the old tape backup unit isn’t functioning, we are looking at around ~10-15K for a server / storage / drive / tapes.  I could also but some external HD’s, write to them over nite and then ship them off during the day. With the cost of SSD and their size coming down that’s even more attractive.

What I would really like is some virtual tape library available over Mega Port, where somebody else looks after tape management or virtual tapes, as long as I need some process which includes authorisation to bring the tapes back on line.  But at the right price J

Alex

From: Peter Tiggerdine [mailto:ptiggerdine at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:57 PM
To: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage

Pundits have being declaring this for 20 years and it still hasn't happened.

Tape has it's place as does D2D backup.

The answer to your question is "it depends" on "

Organisation size and maturity.

DR Plan

Backup/Recovery Plan

Budget

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com> wrote:

Hi

Wondering what people are doing for offsite store / backups. Looking at http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out LTO tapes sales are down.  People are backing up to disk.

But what are people doing for offsite.  Removable HDs ?

Alex
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