<html><head><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Potentially, but i doubt it. </div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Why do you think the EU has attempted to strengthen their data privacy laws for US backed cloud providers?</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">You obviously need a local entity to operate in the country, but the Patriot act has a strong reach :)</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/case-study-how-the-usa-patriot-act-can-be-used-to-access-eu-data/8805">http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/case-study-how-the-usa-patriot-act-can-be-used-to-access-eu-data/8805</a></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><a href="http://euobserver.com/justice/118857">http://euobserver.com/justice/118857</a></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Stick to AU clouds and you’re at least only having to deal with clandestine NSA operations rather than the DOJ.</div> <br> <div id="bloop_sign_1416979256677944064" class="bloop_sign"><div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px">-- <br>Jacob Gardiner<br><a href="https://twitter.com/jacobgardiner">@jacobgardiner</a></div></div> <br><p style="color:#000;">On 26 November 2014 at 4:14:06 pm, Peter MacGee (<a href="mailto:peter@macgee.org">peter@macgee.org</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div></div><div>
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<div>That’s potentially a very misleading comment to make…
certainly not a position that I would blanket assert with regards
to all US headquartered entities without knowing the detail behind
a particular provider's company structure.</div>
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<div>If AWS are anything like we are here at Rackspace, then the
local entity will be an Australian company. We are therefore bound
and abide by the same legislation as any other wholly owned
Australian company/business. </div>
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<div>It’s a myth that folks like myself and the data centres under
our charge are subject to US legislation any more than the next
Australian business.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Pete.</div>
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<span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span> Jacob Gardiner <<a href="mailto:jacob@jacobgardiner.com">jacob@jacobgardiner.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date:</span> Wednesday, 26 November
2014 3:50 pm<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span> Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
<<a href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span> "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span> Re: [AusNOG] Offsite
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That doesn't matter, they're a U.S. company and still subject to
the patriot act even when operating outside the U.S. <br>
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On Wednesday, November 26, 2014, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
<<a href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>>
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Where do AWS store this data as in which governments’ laws come in
to play. Do AWS have tin in Australia and can you make the data
stay only in Australia?</span></p>
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Alex</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">Barry Murphy
[mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','barry@vibecommunications.co.nz');" target="_blank">barry@vibecommunications.co.nz</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 26 November 2014 3:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Peter Tiggerdine<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
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Sounds like a small amount of data, tried Amazon S3 or something
similar?</span></p>
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Amazon allows you to ‘mount’ a virtual tape drive in their cloud
and you can set it to have 7 tapes and rotate them daily
etc.</span></p>
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See <a href="http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway" target="_blank">http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway</a>/</span></p>
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You can then have backups older than X days go into glacier rather
than the more expensive S3 if you wanted.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#7f7f7f">Kind regards,</span></p>
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Barry Murphy</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black;"> / </span><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(255, 158, 1);">Chief
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">From:</span></b>
<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Alex
Samad - Yieldbroker <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com');" target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> Wednesday, 26 November 2014 5:10 pm<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Tiggerdine <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ptiggerdine@gmail.com');" target="_blank">ptiggerdine@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage</span></p>
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Yes</span></p>
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My current investigation is small amount of data ~ 10-20G of core
data.</span></p>
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We are happy with our current backup regime but we don’t account
for malicious loss of data. IE all the backups are available on the
network somebody can delete everything online. Offsite gives
you protection from that.</span></p>
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Currently the old tape backup unit isn’t functioning, we are
looking at around ~10-15K for a server / storage / drive /
tapes. I could also but some external HD’s, write to them
over nite and then ship them off during the day. With the cost of
SSD and their size coming down that’s even more
attractive.</span></p>
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What I would really like is some virtual tape library available
over Mega Port, where somebody else looks after tape management or
virtual tapes, as long as I need some process which includes
authorisation to bring the tapes back on line. But at the
right price</span> <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span></p>
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Alex</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;">From:</span></b>
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;">Peter
Tiggerdine [<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ptiggerdine@gmail.com');" target="_blank">mailto:ptiggerdine@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Samad - Yieldbroker<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Pundits have being
declaring this for 20 years and it still hasn't
happened.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Tape has it's place
as does D2D backup.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The answer to your
question is "it depends" on "</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Organisation size
and maturity.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">DR Plan</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Backup/Recovery
Plan</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On Wed, Nov 26, 2014
at 1:49 PM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com');" target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi<br>
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Wondering what people are doing for offsite store / backups.
Looking at <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out" target="_blank">http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out</a>
LTO tapes sales are down. People are backing up to
disk.<br>
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But what are people doing for offsite. Removable HDs ?<br>
<br>
Alex<br>
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