[AusNOG] Offsite Storage

[Geordie Guy]

That's true, but not very many.  You usually find that they have
legislative, policy or other regulatory reasons to "maintain effective
operational security", "comply with Australian privacy principles set out
in the act", "be able to provide access to Australian authorities with
authorisation" or some other giant pile of non-technical requirements which
the risk and compliance department and / or in-house counsel interpret as
"this has to be saved on a disk in an Australian data centre", which they
then cascade down to someone else, which gets escalated back to someone's
boss, which gets transferred to the IT boss at a leadership meeting, and
then cascades down to the guy who actually logs into AWS as "it has to be
in ap-southeast-2"



On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:39 PM, James Hodgkinson <yaleman at ricetek.net>
wrote:

> Some people have legislative requirements that give them reason to
> hyperventilate…
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> On 26 November 2014 at 2:34:27 pm, Geordie Guy (elomis at gmail.com) wrote:
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> People hyperventilate about cloud data locations a lot more than makes
> sense, but yes AWS have an Australian region in an Australian DC.  They're
> also building two more DCs themselves.
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> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <
> Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com> wrote:
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>>   Where do AWS store this data as in which governments’ laws come in to
>> play. Do AWS have tin in Australia and can you make the data stay only in
>> Australia?
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>> Alex
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>> * From:* Barry Murphy [mailto:barry at vibecommunications.co.nz]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 3:19 PM
>> *To:* Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Peter Tiggerdine
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>> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage
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>> Sounds like a small amount of data, tried Amazon S3 or something similar?
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>> Amazon allows you to ‘mount’ a virtual tape drive in their cloud and you
>> can set it to have 7 tapes and rotate them daily etc.
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>> See
>> http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway
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>> You can then have backups older than X days go into glacier rather than
>> the more expensive S3 if you wanted.
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>> Kind regards,
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>> * Barry Murphy* / *Chief Operating Officer*
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>> * From:* Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>
>> *Date:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 5:10 pm
>> *To:* Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage
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>> Yes
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>> My current investigation is small amount of data ~ 10-20G of core data.
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>> We are happy with our current backup regime but we don’t account for
>> malicious loss of data. IE all the backups are available on the network
>> somebody can delete everything online.  Offsite gives you protection from
>> that.
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>> Currently the old tape backup unit isn’t functioning, we are looking at
>> around ~10-15K for a server / storage / drive / tapes.  I could also but
>> some external HD’s, write to them over nite and then ship them off during
>> the day. With the cost of SSD and their size coming down that’s even more
>> attractive.
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>> What I would really like is some virtual tape library available over Mega
>> Port, where somebody else looks after tape management or virtual tapes, as
>> long as I need some process which includes authorisation to bring the tapes
>> back on line.  But at the right price J
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>> Alex
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>> * From:* Peter Tiggerdine [mailto:ptiggerdine at gmail.com
>> <ptiggerdine at gmail.com>]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:57 PM
>> *To:* Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
>> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage
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>> Pundits have being declaring this for 20 years and it still hasn't
>> happened.
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>> Tape has it's place as does D2D backup.
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>> The answer to your question is "it depends" on "
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>> Organisation size and maturity.
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>> DR Plan
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>> Backup/Recovery Plan
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>> Budget
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>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <
>> Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com> wrote:
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>> Hi
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>> Wondering what people are doing for offsite store / backups. Looking at
>> http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out
>> LTO tapes sales are down.  People are backing up to disk.
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>> But what are people doing for offsite.  Removable HDs ?
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>> Alex
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