<div dir="ltr">That's true, but not very many. You usually find that they have legislative, policy or other regulatory reasons to "maintain effective operational security", "comply with Australian privacy principles set out in the act", "be able to provide access to Australian authorities with authorisation" or some other giant pile of non-technical requirements which the risk and compliance department and / or in-house counsel interpret as "this has to be saved on a disk in an Australian data centre", which they then cascade down to someone else, which gets escalated back to someone's boss, which gets transferred to the IT boss at a leadership meeting, and then cascades down to the guy who actually logs into AWS as "it has to be in ap-southeast-2"<div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:39 PM, James Hodgkinson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yaleman@ricetek.net" target="_blank">yaleman@ricetek.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><p>Some people have legislative requirements that give them reason to hyperventilate…</p>
<p></p></div><div><div class="h5"><div><div style="font-family:Source Code Pro,Arial;font-size:12px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div> <br> <div><div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px"><br></div></div> <br><p style="color:#000">On 26 November 2014 at 2:34:27 pm, Geordie Guy (<a href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com" target="_blank">elomis@gmail.com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite"><span><div><div></div><div>
<div dir="ltr">People hyperventilate about cloud data locations a
lot more than makes sense, but yes AWS have an Australian region in
an Australian DC. They're also building two more DCs
themselves.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Alex
Samad - Yieldbroker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com" target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Where do AWS store this data as in which governments’ laws come in
to play. Do AWS have tin in Australia and can you make the data
stay only in Australia?</span></p>
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From:</span></b> <span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Barry Murphy [mailto:<a href="mailto:barry@vibecommunications.co.nz" target="_blank">barry@vibecommunications.co.nz</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 26 November 2014 3:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Peter Tiggerdine</span></p>
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage</div>
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Sounds like a small amount of data, tried Amazon S3 or something
similar?</span></p>
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Amazon allows you to ‘mount’ a virtual tape drive in their cloud
and you can set it to have 7 tapes and rotate them daily
etc.</span></p>
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See <a href="http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway" target="_blank">http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway</a>/</span></p>
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You can then have backups older than X days go into glacier rather
than the more expensive S3 if you wanted.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#7f7f7f">Kind regards,</span></p>
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Barry Murphy</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> / </span><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#ff9e01">Chief
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From:</span></b> <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <<a href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com" target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> Wednesday, 26 November 2014 5:10 pm<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Tiggerdine <<a href="mailto:ptiggerdine@gmail.com" target="_blank">ptiggerdine@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage</span></p>
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Yes</span></p>
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My current investigation is small amount of data ~ 10-20G of core
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We are happy with our current backup regime but we don’t account
for malicious loss of data. IE all the backups are available on the
network somebody can delete everything online. Offsite gives
you protection from that.</span></p>
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Currently the old tape backup unit isn’t functioning, we are
looking at around ~10-15K for a server / storage / drive /
tapes. I could also but some external HD’s, write to them
over nite and then ship them off during the day. With the cost of
SSD and their size coming down that’s even more
attractive.</span></p>
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What I would really like is some virtual tape library available
over Mega Port, where somebody else looks after tape management or
virtual tapes, as long as I need some process which includes
authorisation to bring the tapes back on line. But at the
right price</span> <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span></p>
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Peter Tiggerdine [<a href="mailto:ptiggerdine@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:ptiggerdine@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Samad - Yieldbroker<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Pundits have being
declaring this for 20 years and it still hasn't
happened.</span></p>
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as does D2D backup.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On Wed, Nov 26, 2014
at 1:49 PM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <<a href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com" target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>> wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi<br>
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Wondering what people are doing for offsite store / backups.
Looking at <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out" target="_blank">http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out</a>
LTO tapes sales are down. People are backing up to
disk.<br>
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But what are people doing for offsite. Removable HDs ?<br>
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Alex<br>
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