[AusNOG] Re RackCentral

[Jacob Gardiner]

Might be a good idea to start a new thread then i think. 

From what I can tell, this conversation’s context is the RackCentral situation. 

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On 18 November 2014 at 3:42:59 pm, Skeeve Stevens (skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com) wrote:

I think you've made a connection to an Industry Body and the Rack Central thing that wasn't meant.

We need an industry body for a variety of purposes, mostly to represent our concerns to Government.

A body could also help organise something that facilitates some sort of reporting service - whether themselves, or outsourced to a professional provider of these kinds of things.


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On 18 November 2014 15:16, Jacob Gardiner <jacob at jacobgardiner.com> wrote:
With all do respect, do you really think that a community based internet society (of sorts) should be deciding at all who is allowed to undertake business within Australia, regardless of industry? That’s the job of the government and legal system. 

This RackCentral thing has only just kicked off and there’s already suggestions to form an independent body to decide who Shaun can and can not engage in business with under his new entity. 

As much as it sounds like Vocus & Summit are owed money, and It sounds like Shaun agrees that it does (to what amounts is the argument it sounds like), there is systems and legal frameworks in place that take care of these things. You, nor should anybody else on this list have anything to say about the matter that isn’t anything other than an opinion piece. 

I’m all for creating groups to improve the way our industry works, but please don’t go anywhere near suggesting that we should create a ’shonky operators’ list. Let the free market and our legal system work that bit out. 
 
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On 18 November 2014 at 2:50:04 pm, Skeeve Stevens (skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com) wrote:

We need something that people take seriously.... but most of the industry is too busy getting the job done.. this is reflected in the lack of involved of the community in the APNIC community.... even when held in Australia barely anyone turns up.


...Skeeve

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On 18 November 2014 12:46, John Lindsay <johnslindsay at mac.com> wrote:
I cajoled Simon, Michael and Bevan into keeping the old IIA alive for three years but the organisations represented in this list didn't support it so the directors had no choice but to wind it up. 

Feel free to have another go. 

Cheers,

John Lindsay

On 18 Nov 2014, at 12:11 pm, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:

Exactly... Someone needs to get one going.... or an existing entity setup something to represent us.


...Skeeve

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On 18 November 2014 12:39, John Lindsay <johnslindsay at mac.com> wrote:
What Internet industry association do you mean?

This isn't one now. 

John Lindsay

On 18 Nov 2014, at 9:59 am, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:

Perhaps one of our useful *cough* industry associations could offer this as a service.


...Skeeve

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On 18 November 2014 10:19, Ross Wheeler <ausnog at rossw.net> wrote:


On Tue, 18 Nov 2014, Skeeve Stevens wrote:

What is missing in our industry is something like http://www.tica.com.au/
for ISPs.  I've known a lot of dodgy providers who just move to another
supplier of services.  It would be great if there was some sort of industry
reporting agency for customer - personal and business.

It's been raised (and killed) many times in the last 19 years that *I* know of, but there are legal/regulatory issues that have never been adequately addressed, and AFAIK no system has ever got off the ground.

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