[AusNOG] Re RackCentral

[Skeeve Stevens]

APNIC VERY much cares about policy, but if the company is not listed in the
Administration list - which I believe it wasn't yet, then there is nothing
they can do about it.


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On 18 November 2014 09:14, Andrew Tschudi <ausnogandrewtschudi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Rack Central walking away from the debt has already taken precedence which
> is a kick in the mouth for anyone.
>
>
> Thanks to Rack Central you can now assume if you don’t pay Vocus you can
> walk away from your contract and debt, keep running your business and they
> cannot make you pay anything.
>
>
> Rack Central stopped paying Vocus and in return AS7600 ( escape.net )
> AS45177 ( Layer2.co.nz ) and AS38790 (Spirit Telecom Australia) not to
> mention IX Australia all provide safe haven to allow them to continue to
> operate.
>
>
> Not even APNIC has stepped in to take back IP address resources. Whilst
> it’s against APNIC policy to transfer IP addresses if a company is
> insolvent Rack Central has proven APNIC do not care about policy.
>
>
> Unless every network operator decides to black hole Rack Centrals AS58443
> you will always find someone willing to sell them services as the hope of a
> new sale even comes before industry respect of those who are owed money.
>
>
> Andrew
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I think he is taking a nod at the recent discussion over NextDC's
>> month-to-month offering and the argument that ensued ;)
>>
>> To the other poster saying it must be a drop in the ocean to them -
>> well....yes maybe, they will survive happily never recovering it, just a
>> shorter month to pay it all out and write it all off - but its about
>> precedence. If they let one customer get away with it then all customers
>> will start trying it.
>>
>> What is the point of commitments if they can be so easily broken? You
>> take a commitment term you take the responsibility of any debt it incurs.
>>
>> Not knowing much about the business or Shaun directly, from an outside
>> view it does seem very dodgy though, the sale of the customers to another
>> company with such similar name and same director(s), while leaving behind
>> ~$100k in debt (if not including the extra compensation Vocus is trying
>> for).
>>
>> The best we can do as an industry is blacklist these people so they can't
>> continue their wake of destruction. The only acceptable way to let these
>> people back in to the industry is if they have a fair go at repaying their
>> past mistakes.
>>
>> Shooting a bit off-topic though into personal rant so I'll leave it at
>> that.
>>
>> On 18/11/14 07:55, Mark Foster wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 18/11/2014 4:28 a.m., Scott Howard wrote:
>>>
>>>> /"Minutes from the first creditors meeting show that Vocus is trying
>>>> to claw back $1.48 million. It is understood this sum represents the
>>>> full value of RackCentral's contract with Vocus, cut short due to the
>>>> liquidation./
>>>> /
>>>> /
>>>> /"The contract was not due to expire until 2016 and they [Vocus] have
>>>> included in their claim all the outstanding rentals for the remainder
>>>> of the term," said Quin./
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If only someone offered monthly contracts instead of 2-3 years!!!
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I really, really hope you're taking the piss here.
>>>
>>> Vocus would've committed to resources with their suppliers/vendors/etc
>>> and will no doubt have taken a substantial financial committment on, on
>>> the basis of that contract. I hope they manage to get at least some
>>> compensation for things.
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
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