[AusNOG] Re RackCentral

[Curtis Bayne]

I've been on both sides of this equation - it is wholly unpleasant for all
involved.

I cannot speak for RackCentral, but there are two things I'd like to
mention:

1. I personally feel that blackholing traffic from the AS is poor form - I
cannot attest to RackCentral's motivations, but I believe that providing
transitional support to customers is important - they rely on these
services and it may provide a way for the creditors to recover at least
something.

2. Pulling a phoenix is also poor form and Vocus, whilst having lost a
substantial amount of money, are lucky to be of a size where the resources
to both enforce the terms of their contracts, as well as absorb losses
without substantial interruption are available. There are probably multiple
small businesses on this list who are two delinquent high-revenue customers
away from serious problems.

I just hope everyone manages to recover their costs and the customers are
looked after...

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Andrew Tschudi <
ausnogandrewtschudi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rack Central walking away from the debt has already taken precedence which
> is a kick in the mouth for anyone.
>
>
> Thanks to Rack Central you can now assume if you don’t pay Vocus you can
> walk away from your contract and debt, keep running your business and they
> cannot make you pay anything.
>
>
> Rack Central stopped paying Vocus and in return AS7600 ( escape.net )
> AS45177 ( Layer2.co.nz ) and AS38790 (Spirit Telecom Australia) not to
> mention IX Australia all provide safe haven to allow them to continue to
> operate.
>
>
> Not even APNIC has stepped in to take back IP address resources. Whilst
> it’s against APNIC policy to transfer IP addresses if a company is
> insolvent Rack Central has proven APNIC do not care about policy.
>
>
> Unless every network operator decides to black hole Rack Centrals AS58443
> you will always find someone willing to sell them services as the hope of a
> new sale even comes before industry respect of those who are owed money.
>
>
> Andrew
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I think he is taking a nod at the recent discussion over NextDC's
>> month-to-month offering and the argument that ensued ;)
>>
>> To the other poster saying it must be a drop in the ocean to them -
>> well....yes maybe, they will survive happily never recovering it, just a
>> shorter month to pay it all out and write it all off - but its about
>> precedence. If they let one customer get away with it then all customers
>> will start trying it.
>>
>> What is the point of commitments if they can be so easily broken? You
>> take a commitment term you take the responsibility of any debt it incurs.
>>
>> Not knowing much about the business or Shaun directly, from an outside
>> view it does seem very dodgy though, the sale of the customers to another
>> company with such similar name and same director(s), while leaving behind
>> ~$100k in debt (if not including the extra compensation Vocus is trying
>> for).
>>
>> The best we can do as an industry is blacklist these people so they can't
>> continue their wake of destruction. The only acceptable way to let these
>> people back in to the industry is if they have a fair go at repaying their
>> past mistakes.
>>
>> Shooting a bit off-topic though into personal rant so I'll leave it at
>> that.
>>
>> On 18/11/14 07:55, Mark Foster wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 18/11/2014 4:28 a.m., Scott Howard wrote:
>>>
>>>> /"Minutes from the first creditors meeting show that Vocus is trying
>>>> to claw back $1.48 million. It is understood this sum represents the
>>>> full value of RackCentral's contract with Vocus, cut short due to the
>>>> liquidation./
>>>> /
>>>> /
>>>> /"The contract was not due to expire until 2016 and they [Vocus] have
>>>> included in their claim all the outstanding rentals for the remainder
>>>> of the term," said Quin./
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If only someone offered monthly contracts instead of 2-3 years!!!
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I really, really hope you're taking the piss here.
>>>
>>> Vocus would've committed to resources with their suppliers/vendors/etc
>>> and will no doubt have taken a substantial financial committment on, on
>>> the basis of that contract. I hope they manage to get at least some
>>> compensation for things.
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
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