[AusNOG] RouterBoard

Mon Mar 10 15:17:47 EST 2014

Hmm  so how does it implement linux iptables, I would presume the L3 stuff in the hardware would be more like cisco access-list (which I don’t mind)

Alex

From: Sheng Yeo [mailto:sheng.yeo at orionvm.com]
Sent: Monday, 10 March 2014 3:19 PM
To: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Tony; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] RouterBoard

The routing performance is line-rate as it is done in hardware on the switch ASIC.

The CPU is a dual core PPC – it doesn’t need to be super powerful to do most things as all forwarding is pushed down to the data plane.

They have been good in our testing, with a great team in Mountain View. Their CEO and most of the team worked at Cisco running the Nexus team prior to Cumulus.

Cheers.

From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker [mailto:Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 9:11 PM
To: Sheng Yeo; Tony; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] RouterBoard

So what the routing performance?

Sound rather interesting, guess my initial concern would be the cpu power on those devices.

Alex

From: Sheng Yeo [mailto:sheng.yeo at orionvm.com]
Sent: Monday, 10 March 2014 3:06 PM
To: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Tony; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] RouterBoard

Yup, you buy a switch like the Dell (which is a rebadged ODM switch anyway – you get support locally though, which is what makes it better for smaller deployments).

You then use ONIE (the boot loader) to install Cumulus Linux, which you pay for yearly as a support license.

It then reboots and you configure it like linux. You use ifconfig/route/etc to do this.

It is a Debian environment so it is quite easy to use – it then mirrors this config into hardware to accelerate it.

You can run Bird/Quagga for BGP etc on the switch.
From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker [mailto:Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 8:58 PM
To: Sheng Yeo; Tony; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] RouterBoard

So

Just let me re iterate so I can make sure I understanding (actually sounds interesting).

I buy a Dell S4810 switch (or is it a router ?)
I load up Cumulus, which gives me linux on this device with all the native drivers etc etc ..

Then I just configure up like a linux box ?

Alex

From: Sheng Yeo [mailto:sheng.yeo at orionvm.com]
Sent: Monday, 10 March 2014 2:38 PM
To: Tony; Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] RouterBoard

Heya,

We have been working with Cumulus for 8 months now and their team is great.

We are deploying their 40/10/1 Gig solutions in our datacenters.

Performance is good as the Broadcom Trident Plus & Trident 2 switches are very powerful for the price.

Their architecture is great as it lets us manage it just like any other Linux server in our pool, just with Hardware acceleration and offload.

We work closely with the team, so feel free to ping me if you have any questions.

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From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 7:58 PM
To: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] RouterBoard

A wise person I know pointed this out to me recently:

http://cumulusnetworks.com/product/overview/

It is only the software though, you then buy your own "bare metal" switch hardare to run it on (that has the ports that you require):

http://cumulusnetworks.com/support/linux-hardware-compatibility-list/

A Dell Force10 (S4810) with 48 x 10G & 4 x 40G is $10k
Quanta with same port spec is $8800
Accton AS5600-52X - $6000

All prices are just ones that I found using google. No idea how relevant they are to what you might actually be able to get the hardware you require for when you ask someone for a quote.

I don't know how the cost or performance works out, so please report back to the list if you find any more details or evaluate them :)

regards,
Tony.

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From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com<mailto:Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>>
To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>>
Sent: Monday, 10 March 2014 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] RouterBoard

Hi

My main aim of this was to find out if there is another product similar to these routerboards, don’t care if the cli is different, more interested in spec and $$

Alex

From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
Sent: Monday, 10 March 2014 12:33 PM
To: 'Damian Guppy'
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] RouterBoard

Hi

There is no ccr1036 on the product page but there is this variant
http://routerboard.com/CCR1036-8G-2Splus

2 x SFP+ ports

Alex

From: Damian Guppy [mailto:the.damo at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 10 March 2014 12:27 PM
To: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] RouterBoard

CCR1036 has no 10G ports, only 1G, so im not sure why you would expect to get a single TCP stream past 1G (even with LACP since that is not how LACP works)

--Damian

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com<mailto:Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>> wrote:
Hi

So I have tested routerOS ... in VM and also bought the ccr1036.

I'm not 100% happy with the ccr1036.  Basically can't push 1 tcp stream past 1Gb/s I can get 8-9Gb/s with multiple streams. I can get UDP up to 9.8Gb/s

I like routerOS interface (have to admit I like the vyatta better from what I saw).

But now I need to find something similar to these devices around the same price and around the same performance, I would like to push it all to a VM but Brocade want my 1st and 2nd child ...

So routerOS support is nowhere close to Cisco and rightly so for the price, so I have some hesitancy in rolling these things out, especially if they are going into the core.

So are there any suggestions from the list ?

Alex

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