[AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB

Wed Jun 4 11:57:52 EST 2014

Yeah, some people will actually get it into the contract for redundancy
reasons. Say they wanted 2 services completely redundant to each other so
they choose TPG and AAPT, they get it put in the contract that TPG will use
TPG dslams and AAPT will use Telstra / iiNet dslams that way you know if
there is a DSLAM failure you wont lose both connections. If TPG go in and
start moving everyone over to their own equipment despite this it could
have implications for DR / Redundancy reasons, and IMO should be grounds to
terminate the contract.

--Damian

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Nathan Brookfield <
Nathan.Brookfield at simtronic.com.au> wrote:

> It's actually not, there are strict service schedules which outline the
> products they can offer to you, you also agree to T&C's during the order
> process which outline the service type and supplier.
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)
>
> Chief Executive Officer
> Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of
> Bradley Amm
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:37 AM
> To: Andrew Jones; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB
>
> Well really they agree to provide you with X service at $Z price Whoever
> or whatever they use to get it to you is irrelevant
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2014 9:16 AM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB
>
> I have real questions about whether moving the services to TPG DSLAMs
> would be allowed by contracts in place with customers.
> If TPG own AAPT, but it's still a separate business, and service schedules
> call out exactly what third party providers will be used to supply the
> services, where do the services from TPG fit into such an agreement?
>
>
>
> On 04.06.2014 10:49, Matt Perkins wrote:
> > I understand the commercial reality of it. It's not that it's moved to
> > TPG DSLAM's thats really the problem. It's that they cut it over with
> > no notification. We could not involve the customer test for
> > compliance. Not to mention there would have been an outage while they
> > moved the jumper that they did not inform us of.
> >
> >  In the end of the day it's there network. They can do as they like
> > with it but a little information flow would have been much better then
> > a surprise.
> >
> >  Matt.
> >
> >  On 4/06/14 10:36 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> >
> >> I am not sure why we are surprised really.
> >>
> >> TPG is going to dismantle everything that made AAPT AAPT...
> >>
> >> Expect them to pull everything they had intercap off Nextgen and onto
> >> AAPT fibre as soon as contracts run out. This will put a dent into
> >> Nextgens figures I bet.
> >>
> >> The AAPT Wholesale people still seem to think that they will have
> >> jobs within a year... and they have the support of TPG to continue
> >> pushing wholesale services. At least some good people will be
> >> available for others to hire.
> >>
> >> It is my opinion that while TPG has some good products, I think
> >> essentially they are wholesale hostile and will put any direct
> >> commercial opportunity in front of any wholesale opportunity in every
> >> case.
> >>
> >> I've had opportunities that were going to be fulfilled via wholesale,
> >> who were told to stop supporting us as their commercial side were
> >> competing for it directly.
> >>
> >> I don't believe words anymore, I believe actions and base everything
> >> off what people do, not what they say they will do.. and we've all
> >> seen what has happened to Soul and Pipe since TPG took over. Lots of
> >> staff hired for Pipe were told they were going to be supported, and
> >> not long later realised it was all words with no reality.
> >>
> >> Btw... Good on TPG for pushing their commercial agenda... from that
> >> perspective they are succeeding... I just think it is wrong to 'fake
> >> support' wholesale when they do everything to undercut it. Just be
> >> honest about your intentions TPG is all I say.
> >>
> >> ...Skeeve
> >>
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> >> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Cameron Ferdinands
> >> <cameron at jferdinands.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Makes you wonder what will happen to the AAPT tails that are on
> >>> iiNet DSLAMs?
> >>>
> >>> Matt, Nathan have you noticed any MTU issues since AAPT have churned
> >>> those tails to TPG?
> >>>
> >>> On 4 June 2014 09:40, Nathan Brookfield
> >>> <Nathan.Brookfield at simtronic.com.au> wrote:
> >>> > Matt,
> >>> >
> >>> > I'll e-mail you off list, let's just say I do know and I was not
> >>> very happy when I noticed.
> >>> >
> >>> > Kindest Regards,
> >>> > Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)
> >>> >
> >>> > Chief Executive Officer
> >>> > Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd
> >>> >
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> >>> >
> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf
> >>> Of Matt Perkins
> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2014 9:37 AM
> >>> > To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> >>> > Subject: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB
> >>> >
> >>> > Looks like some of our AAPT NWB services that were delivered on
> >>> Telstra have magically been churned to TPG without any notification.
> >>> Anyone else notice this ?
> >>> >
> >>> > Matt.
> >>> >
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