<div dir="ltr">Yeah, some people will actually get it into the contract for redundancy reasons. Say they wanted 2 services completely redundant to each other so they choose TPG and AAPT, they get it put in the contract that TPG will use TPG dslams and AAPT will use Telstra / iiNet dslams that way you know if there is a DSLAM failure you wont lose both connections. If TPG go in and start moving everyone over to their own equipment despite this it could have implications for DR / Redundancy reasons, and IMO should be grounds to terminate the contract.<div>
<br></div><div>--Damian</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Nathan Brookfield <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au" target="_blank">Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It's actually not, there are strict service schedules which outline the products they can offer to you, you also agree to T&C's during the order process which outline the service type and supplier.<br>
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Well really they agree to provide you with X service at $Z price Whoever or whatever they use to get it to you is irrelevant<br>
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I have real questions about whether moving the services to TPG DSLAMs would be allowed by contracts in place with customers.<br>
If TPG own AAPT, but it's still a separate business, and service schedules call out exactly what third party providers will be used to supply the services, where do the services from TPG fit into such an agreement?<br>
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On <a href="tel:04.06.2014%2010" value="+61406201410">04.06.2014 10</a>:49, Matt Perkins wrote:<br>
> I understand the commercial reality of it. It's not that it's moved to<br>
> TPG DSLAM's thats really the problem. It's that they cut it over with<br>
> no notification. We could not involve the customer test for<br>
> compliance. Not to mention there would have been an outage while they<br>
> moved the jumper that they did not inform us of.<br>
><br>
> In the end of the day it's there network. They can do as they like<br>
> with it but a little information flow would have been much better then<br>
> a surprise.<br>
><br>
> Matt.<br>
><br>
> On 4/06/14 10:36 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I am not sure why we are surprised really.<br>
>><br>
>> TPG is going to dismantle everything that made AAPT AAPT...<br>
>><br>
>> Expect them to pull everything they had intercap off Nextgen and onto<br>
>> AAPT fibre as soon as contracts run out. This will put a dent into<br>
>> Nextgens figures I bet.<br>
>><br>
>> The AAPT Wholesale people still seem to think that they will have<br>
>> jobs within a year... and they have the support of TPG to continue<br>
>> pushing wholesale services. At least some good people will be<br>
>> available for others to hire.<br>
>><br>
>> It is my opinion that while TPG has some good products, I think<br>
>> essentially they are wholesale hostile and will put any direct<br>
>> commercial opportunity in front of any wholesale opportunity in every<br>
>> case.<br>
>><br>
>> I've had opportunities that were going to be fulfilled via wholesale,<br>
>> who were told to stop supporting us as their commercial side were<br>
>> competing for it directly.<br>
>><br>
>> I don't believe words anymore, I believe actions and base everything<br>
>> off what people do, not what they say they will do.. and we've all<br>
>> seen what has happened to Soul and Pipe since TPG took over. Lots of<br>
>> staff hired for Pipe were told they were going to be supported, and<br>
>> not long later realised it was all words with no reality.<br>
>><br>
>> Btw... Good on TPG for pushing their commercial agenda... from that<br>
>> perspective they are succeeding... I just think it is wrong to 'fake<br>
>> support' wholesale when they do everything to undercut it. Just be<br>
>> honest about your intentions TPG is all I say.<br>
>><br>
>> ...Skeeve<br>
>><br>
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>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Cameron Ferdinands<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:cameron@jferdinands.com">cameron@jferdinands.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Makes you wonder what will happen to the AAPT tails that are on<br>
>>> iiNet DSLAMs?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Matt, Nathan have you noticed any MTU issues since AAPT have churned<br>
>>> those tails to TPG?<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 4 June 2014 09:40, Nathan Brookfield<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au">Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> > Matt,<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > I'll e-mail you off list, let's just say I do know and I was not<br>
>>> very happy when I noticed.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Kindest Regards,<br>
>>> > Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Chief Executive Officer<br>
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>>> > Subject: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB<br>
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>>> > Looks like some of our AAPT NWB services that were delivered on<br>
>>> Telstra have magically been churned to TPG without any notification.<br>
>>> Anyone else notice this ?<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Matt.<br>
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