[AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?

[Paul Wallace]

It was the former Government (Labour) that decided to NOT split Telstra up & thereby created the landscape we see today, NOT the Liberal party.

-P




From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Joshua D'Alton
Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2014 12:33 AM
To: Joseph Goldman
Cc: AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?

"It's 2014. Why is the Go4 so important to you?"

Because our government has decided to hinder this country for the next 20 years+++. Until the majority of consumers bow to the popular demand, we will be left with Telstra as forever the last mile and therefore the ones in control.

Telstra is and will likely be for years to come the majority provider in AU, even if Optus TPG and iiNet were to align against them. Ironically Telstra doesn't care about domestic or internatinal transit, they care purely about the last mile, which they will seem to likely perpetually own

Everyone can see what is happening to USA internet, will we be so blind as to what happens to ours? Including those who voted liberal??


Not the opinion of my company etc et al, purely personal philosophical interests!


On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au<mailto:joe at apcs.com.au>> wrote:
The Go4 make up a lot of AU user base and if they were forced onto a public IX, those who do host content can get easier connectivity to them. With that being the case, yes it would effectively kill the domestic transit market, which I noted in some way in my original post, but could be a major benefit to the industry as a whole, minus a few feeling the pain of the lost market. Again, and especially after this conversation, I agree there are more in depth issues that need to be considered but my initial comment was based mostly on the idea of a network operator only having to worry about purchasing international, and maintaining peering.

On 21 July 2014 22:52:39 GMT+10:00, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org<mailto:newton at atdot.dotat.org>> wrote:

On 21 Jul 2014, at 22:09, Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au<mailto:joe at apcs.com.au>> wrote:



 I personally (as the person who brought up government mandates) was actually suggesting that ISP's (those that deliver internet access to end users, specifically, vs say content hosters like Netflix) be forced to join IX's, in an attempt to break up Go4 and make most domestic transit affordable for everyone.


Okay, I'll bite:

It's 2014. Why is the Go4 so important to you?

It doesn't appear to be relevant to the medium-sized parts of the industry anymore.
There was a time when it utterly dominated discussion on aussie-isp, but that was


a very long time ago, and these days it's barely mentioned at all.

I doubt it's meaningful to Telstra anymore: their peering policy would very likely
be

exactly the same without the ACCC-mandated ruling, except for the fact that they'd
probably de-peer AAPT.

And let's not forget Optus:  They don't want to meet you at peering exchanges either.
Their choice, without Telstra's monopoly legacy.  Abolishing the Go4 won't change


their behavior either.

So why does anyone else care about it anymore?  How is it meaningfully different from the
situation you'd be in if you were American, and Level(3) and AT&T declined to peer
with you because it was more commercially beneficial for them to sell you traffic


instead?

I'm not saying you shouldn't break out the Peering Playbook and see if you can
make it cheaper for Telstra and Optus to peer with you than not peer with you.  Fair
game, 'n' all that.


But, invoking the Government to swoop in and make it all better for you?  Really?

Suggestion:  Buy transit from non-Go4 suppliers (such as, for

example, Vocus). Peer
aggressively at the -IX's to maximize the amount of domestic carriage you can do
for zero marginal cost.  Maintain connections to Telstra and Optus, buying domestic
transit only, on short term contracts where they know you're playing them off


against each other on price.  In this marketplace, domestic transit is
virtually indistinguishable from paid peering anyway, so sign up for that and see
how far down you can drive your Telstra spend by moving your traffic away from


Telstra.

(or in your case, Optus)

If you're an eyeball ISP with 80% of your traffic heading internationally, and you
pick up half of the remainder with peering, only 10% of your total traffic mix
will need to come from a Go4 member.


What do you think would happen to bandwidth prices in this country if more of you
lot behaved like that, instead of stitching up long-term high-bandwidth transit
contracts with

Telstra and Optus, or signing up with VISP suppliers who take away
your decision-making control about your bandwidth supplies?

  - mark

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