[AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?

[Sam Silvester]

Netflix aren't interested in the last mile, the Government doesn't need to
do anything for their service to Just Work here (it already does, for
anybody with Google search skills and an interest in using it. It's not
just technically savvy users, I can guarantee you).

So that leaves peering etc. If it's commercially sane for Netflix to put a
cache in to a given network, they will. Likewise, if it's commercially sane
for them to peer on an IX or locate CDN nodes in Sydney, they will.

The Government doesn't need to get involved. As Mark says - if it doesn't
make commercial sense to do either of the above, they'll just deliver via
the US. Easy.


On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jacob Gardiner <jacob at jacobgardiner.com>
wrote:

> Do you use ADSL?
> Have you ever used a torrent?
>
> I’d say most people who are interested in watching their favourite shows
> do so by leaving their torrent client open overnight, on a crappy ADSL
> connection. They’d all be be extremely happy to pay $10 per month and get
> something like netflix in their home.
>
> So yeah, our market is inhibited and citizens work around it by going the
> slow, illegal route. If you bring netflix to town, i’d probably also say
> that our favourite government would need to re-evaluate our broadband
> network(s) for starters.
>
> --
> Jacob Gardiner
> @jacobgardiner <https://twitter.com/jacobgardiner>
>
> On 21 July 2014 at 2:53:47 pm, Mark ZZZ Smith (markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au)
> wrote:
>
>  By saying we should be 'enabling businesses like Netflix', you're
> implying they're currently 'disabled'. How?
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Jacob Gardiner <jacob at jacobgardiner.com>
> *To:* Sam Silvester <sam.silvester at gmail.com>; Mark ZZZ Smith <
> markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>; "AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net" <
> ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, 21 July 2014 2:45 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering
> breakup?
>
>  My point is that we should be enabling businesses like Netflix. I’m not
> saying anybody should get special treatment. Hypothetically if Netflix were
> to come on-shore and blow away Quickflix because they’re better then I have
> no problem with that. In fact they may help influence a change in policy
> that might make business easier for other VOD suppliers.
>
> We’ve got issues. When a company like Netflix comes to town, these issues
> are forced and hopefully resolved with benefits to the entire market, not
> just Netflix.
>
>
>  --
> Jacob Gardiner
> @jacobgardiner <https://twitter.com/jacobgardiner>
>
>  On 21 July 2014 at 2:39:51 pm, Mark ZZZ Smith (markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au)
> wrote:
>
>  And why should Netflix get special treatment? Why not Quickflix, Google
> Play or (shock horror) FoxTel. Why not my
> about-to-incorporate-if-I-get-free-taxpayer-money VOD company MarkSmithFlix?
>
> If you believe in network neutrality, then you shouldn't believe in
> anybody getting preferential treatment, whether that preferential treatment
> is in the form of government sponsorship, regulation or even zero metering
> of some content providers' content but not others by ISPs.
>
> Netflix should come to Australia because they want to, and they'd want to
> if they can make a suitable profit. Any preferential treatment of them
> penalises every other VoD player.
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Sam Silvester <sam.silvester at gmail.com>
> >To: "AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> >Sent: Monday, 21 July 2014 12:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm curious as to why anybody thinks there needs to be a Government
> response here - not to mention it's all hypothetical so far anyway.
> >
> >If/when Netflix come to AU, why would their model be any different to
> elsewhere? Caches for networks that justify them, and building their CDN
> out to peering points that make sense.
> >
> >
> >It's what they have done elsewhere, why would anybody think here would be
> a special or different case?
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Jacob Gardiner <jacob at jacobgardiner.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>On 21 July 2014 at 11:18:36 am, Mark Newton (newton at atdot.dotat.org)
> wrote:
> >>The Government is entirely impotent in this area.  They cannot force an
> offshore provider to make decisions which are suboptimal to their business.
> >>This is exactly where the mindset needs to change.
> >>If the Government wants a business like Netflix and many others to
> invest into Australia’s market then there should be incentives to do so.
> >>Or we could just wait until we run out of rocks to dig up WA then freak
> out.
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