[AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?

[Joseph Goldman]

I might be completely unrealistic to think this way - But I don't think 
it's a stretch for ACMA/ACCC/DBCDE (whoever can set these mandates) to 
require connection to a public IX in either Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne.

Government stance - it makes sense for the betterment of afford-ability 
of internet in the country. It's hard to subsidise last mile - so any 
savings that can be made further up the chain is big winner for any size 
ISP's.

Would the loss of income to the big guys who don't peer, being forced to 
peer, be that significant?

I may be just dreaming - but it'd be nice.

On topic to your point, I would think it would make sense for Netflix to 
join public IX - they seem to be adamant they are 'for the users' so I 
don't see them shutting people out and having the debacle of controversy 
like they do in the US.

On 20/07/14 09:28, Joshua D'Alton wrote:
> Morning Noggers,
>
> I've been mulling over the possibility netflix comes to AU, and what
> that might mean especially re breaking up the Go4 closed peering.
>
> Firstly, if netflix just does local cache with the top ISPs by
> volume/subscribers-who-will-use-netflix, then looking at the players,
> listed roughly based on traffic and including significant/interesting
> players, we can probably assume:
> BigPond - definitely yes
> Optus - yes
> TPG - yes
> iiNet - yes
>
> Eftel/M2/Dodo - yes
> Vocus - yes
> Exetel - probably yes
>
> If netflix were to come in themselves just to say Sydney, and notch up
> an agreement with Telstra (who will likely give it, 40Gbit domestic
> traffic < 40Gbit on SX), then it could be that Telstra would be the sole
> upstream for AU much like is the situation in US with basically only
> Cogent or Level3 previously.
>
> For breaking things up, obviously this would be bad, as Telstra will be
> wanting to bring home the bacon with all their downstreams (of which,
> iinet eftel etc would probably then just do their own cache of some
> sorts, even without the netflix program). Presumably not much would
> change with Go4, although this might give Telstra enough ammunition to
> actually break the Go4 and become the sole Gang of one (a very scary
> thought, esp with the recent NBN/Telstra developments), not that ACCC
> would allow that, but...
>
> But what if netflix came in with a non-Go4... either iinet eftel vocus
> etc, be it just sydney pops or the capitals, all of the non-Go4 would
> have cheap access via peering, and the Go4 would potentially be cut out
> if said non-Go4 didn't announce netflix to those upstreams.. would this
> break the Go4?
>
> Or what if TPG were to avail themselves of a cheap peering product, one
> that would give anyone (wholesalers?) access to the other 2(3) Go4,
> would they become the Cogent of AU with Telstra/Optus refusing to
> upgrade ports at capacity (not currently, but if..)?
>
> Interesting thoughts, I'd be interested in seeing what others have
> mulled, if they have, or what conclusions people have come across in
> this or similar thoughts?
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
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