[AusNOG] WIFI/Internet on Planes

[John Edwards]

Let's consider:

- Devices must be switched off during takeoff and landing.
- Once an aircraft reaches cruising altitude and you can turn on your
device, it's already in a "regional" area
- ACMA "regional" boundaries allow for cheap spectrum licences in bands not
useful for regular handheld mobile (>3.5Ghz)
- Boeing and Cisco have certified WiFi solutions for inside the plane
- 40Mhz of spectrum in clear air on LTE advanced will give you gigabit
speeds, 100km cell radius, compatibility with existing networks and
handover that is ok with 600km/h
- If you're pointing an antenna "straight up" then it doesn't need a tower,
just some way to keep cows and sheep off it
- NBN is bringing backhaul and connectivity to all regional areas (ok,
maybe this part is stretching belief)
- There are enough flights between Melbourne and Sydney each day to pay for
a national network (minus Perth), based on just a 10% takeup.

VC's feel free to contact me off list ;)

John



On 8 July 2014 10:43, Curtis Bayne <curtis at bayne.com.au> wrote:

> Skeeve,
>
> It's the ground connectivity segment which is challenging - there is no
> unified ground network in Australia. The USA has had a long legacy of
> allocating and using spectrum for air to ground communications (remember
> Airfone?).
>
> Satellite connectivity for planes is hard and expensive (Inmarsat's
> Swift64s seem to be the standard from my limited exposure). The best we
> could probably hope for is that Telstra puts a few sky-facing sectors on
> NextG towers along busy routes and someone designs a fuselage-mounted
> 850Mhz omnidirectional MIMO antenna that doesn't crack and cause rapid
> depressurization of the craft like some of the SATCOM antennas ;).
>
> Regards,
> Curtis
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Skeeve Stevens <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> Virgin are half way there... they are introducing/have introduced WiFi
>> in-flight entertainment systems so you can BYOD... makes a hell of a lot of
>> sense.
>>
>> Shouldn't be too much of a drama to add internet to it.
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Curtis Bayne <curtis at bayne.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joel,
>>>
>>> It's absolutely crazy this isn't available in Australia. The FAA has
>>> allowed transmitters on American flights for a number of years now and
>>> CASA, as usual, are dragging the chain.
>>>
>>> Mobile phone reception on planes actually isn't too bad below 25000ft
>>> considering the downward elevation with which the sectors are usually
>>> aligned. I've got a friend who is a commercial domestic airline pilot - he
>>> reckons the bottom on the cockpit window is the best place to stick your
>>> phone on hotspot mode in Boeing aircraft ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Zone Networks - Joel <
>>> joel at zonenetworks.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Guys
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Slightly off topic but was wondering if anyone has recently used the
>>>> internet connection on international flights from Sydney to USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know the following airlines have it available
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Singapore
>>>>
>>>> Emirates
>>>>
>>>> United Airlines
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pity Qantas doesn’t…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have used it a lot within Domestic US flights but since I fly mostly
>>>> Qantas have no experience with other airlines on International flights
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please reply off the list unless others are interested as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Joel
>>>>
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