[AusNOG] Should we be a LIR for our customers and get them PI (Was: another ipv6 Q)

[Bryan Socha]

Why not just tell apnic you made an error, you meant to get PI space so you
can allocate blocks to customer sites and find out what the process is to
convert it.    I can't see them saying no, you'll reduce your overhead and
you'll use the space as intended with /32+ for providers, /48 per site and
your customer has tons of /64s to use at each site.

To get another /32 you'll need to justify it and from this conversation it
sounds like you might have a problem proving your 80% in use.

Bryan Socha
Network Engineer
DigitalOcean



On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Tony <td_miles at yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:54:25 +1000, Jeroen Massar <jeroen at massar.ch>
> wrote:
>
>  On 2014-07-03 02:45, Tony wrote:
>> [..]
>>
>>> "the network is statically addressed and of a size or complexity that
>>> make renumbering operationally impractical, together with evidence
>>> that dynamic or multiple addressing options are either not available
>>> from the relevant ISP or are unsuitable"
>>>
>>
>> Simple answer to $RIR for these kind of requests:
>>  - client requires to never renumber due to complexity of network.
>>  - client requires independent connectivity.
>>
>> This case can easily be made for most businesses.
>> (not so easily for a 2 person company though ;)
>>
>
> I don't know, with a shiny new NBN fibre NTU with 4 ports that I can
> easily get concurrent connectivity from 4 separate ISP's if I wanted to,
> perhaps I might just need my own /48 PI at my house :)
>
>
>
>>  So the solution is that any business that thinks they might be
>>> uncomfortable renumbering IPv6 should apply for a PI /48 ? As previously
>>> mentioned on this thread the costs seems to be in the order of $1200 PA.
>>>
>>
>> Not if you have an LIR (eg SAGE-AU or any other LIR) that covers the
>> base fee, and then requests the PI space on their behalf.
>>
>> For the LIR it is just an extra prefix, thus just a bit more cash. See
>> the various calculators mentioned in the parent thread.
>>
>>  Should we be encouraging our business customers that meet this criteria
>>> (multiple sites, few hundred devices) to get IPv6 space from APNIC and
>>> then advertise it for them (for global connectivity) ?
>>>
>>
>> Yes. And you as the upstream can act as the LIR.
>>
>> Note that your customer might chose to use different/additional
>> upstreams to actually serve their traffic once they have their PI
>> prefix. They can also move their PI prefix to another LIR etc.
>>
>>
> Thanks for the info. So we just apply for PI space on customers behalf
> that will then be outside of our /32 and bill them (if we so choose) the
> incremental cost for their PI allocation (eg. /48) ? Given our IPv4 space,
> we can apply for a metric-bucket-load of extra /48's before we would end up
> paying any more in annual fees to APNIC.
>
> Sounds easy enough. Is this what others are doing in this space (business
> customers) ?
>
> I am looking at this from the perspective of our customers who will
> shortly be saying "what IPv6 addresses can we use for devices on our
> network across 20 sites" ?
>
>
> regards,
> Tony.
>
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