[AusNOG] Should we be a LIR for our customers and get them PI (Was: another ipv6 Q)

[Tony]

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:54:25 +1000, Jeroen Massar <jeroen at massar.ch> wrote:

> On 2014-07-03 02:45, Tony wrote:
> [..]
>> "the network is statically addressed and of a size or complexity that
>> make renumbering operationally impractical, together with evidence
>> that dynamic or multiple addressing options are either not available
>> from the relevant ISP or are unsuitable"
>
> Simple answer to $RIR for these kind of requests:
>  - client requires to never renumber due to complexity of network.
>  - client requires independent connectivity.
>
> This case can easily be made for most businesses.
> (not so easily for a 2 person company though ;)

I don't know, with a shiny new NBN fibre NTU with 4 ports that I can  
easily get concurrent connectivity from 4 separate ISP's if I wanted to,  
perhaps I might just need my own /48 PI at my house :)

>
>> So the solution is that any business that thinks they might be
>> uncomfortable renumbering IPv6 should apply for a PI /48 ? As previously
>> mentioned on this thread the costs seems to be in the order of $1200 PA.
>
> Not if you have an LIR (eg SAGE-AU or any other LIR) that covers the
> base fee, and then requests the PI space on their behalf.
>
> For the LIR it is just an extra prefix, thus just a bit more cash. See
> the various calculators mentioned in the parent thread.
>
>> Should we be encouraging our business customers that meet this criteria
>> (multiple sites, few hundred devices) to get IPv6 space from APNIC and
>> then advertise it for them (for global connectivity) ?
>
> Yes. And you as the upstream can act as the LIR.
>
> Note that your customer might chose to use different/additional
> upstreams to actually serve their traffic once they have their PI
> prefix. They can also move their PI prefix to another LIR etc.
>

Thanks for the info. So we just apply for PI space on customers behalf  
that will then be outside of our /32 and bill them (if we so choose) the  
incremental cost for their PI allocation (eg. /48) ? Given our IPv4 space,  
we can apply for a metric-bucket-load of extra /48's before we would end  
up paying any more in annual fees to APNIC.

Sounds easy enough. Is this what others are doing in this space (business  
customers) ?

I am looking at this from the perspective of our customers who will  
shortly be saying "what IPv6 addresses can we use for devices on our  
network across 20 sites" ?


regards,
Tony.