[AusNOG] another ipv6 Q

Thu Jul 3 11:48:34 EST 2014

In message <CAEUfUGPOheJKFW8yNUJ_Y=wtOV978RaeXraMfLP82xQJXrB+0A at mail.gmail.com>, Skee
ve Stevens writes:
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> Mark,
> 
> To be accurate, ipv6 from APNIC is not $0.

I said he could get IPv6 addresses for $0 based on the prerequiste
that he had IPv4 addresses from them.  I did not say how many
addresses he could get for $0 or that he could get unlimited IPv6
addresses because I couldn't be bothered running the calculator.

> If your IPv6 allocation exceeds the value of the IPv4 allocation, you will
> pay the greater of the two.

Which is why the next sentence was "You pay MAX(IPv4 cost, IPv6 cost)."

> You get a LOT for that, but, still.
> 
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> ...Skeeve
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> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Mark Andrews <marka at isc.org> wrote:
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> >
> > In message <
> > A3FB5D9FD28C50429DF7692DC31054E606E47A67 at DC1INTADCW8201.yieldbroker.com>,
> >  Alex Samad - Yieldbroker writes:
> > > >     2002:<ipv4>:: (6to4) is not recommended.
> > >
> > > Care to explain why.
> > >
> > > So you get a /48 without having to pay for it, you don't have to use it
> > to =
> > > do  6to4.
> >
> > If you are getting IPv4 address space from APNIC you can get IPv6
> > address space for $0.  You pay MAX(IPv4 cost, IPv6 cost).  ARIN and
> > RIPE have similar policies I believe.
> >
> > > The only issue I see is if you can advertise the /48, but that would be
> > a p=
> > > rocedural thing not a technical reason ... less there is something in
> > the r=
> > > fc... but I am thinking that would be strange.
> >
> > 6to4 has lots of gotchas that regular IPv6 space does not have.
> >
> > Firstly you do not advertise more specifics.  This is to prevent
> > having to import the entire IPv4 routing space into IPv6 thereby
> > effectively doubling the routing table.
> >
> > You have idiots that filter IPv4 in IPv6.
> >
> > You have firewalls that don't allow reply packets in.  They can come from
> > any IPv4 address not just the ones you send the encapsulated packets to.
> >
> > You are depending apon the good will of others to {de}encapsulate
> > traffic.  Some of these boxes have been known to get overloaded.
> >
> > > Alex
> > >
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> <div dir=3D"ltr">Mark,<div><br></div><div>To be accurate, ipv6 from APNIC i=
> s not $0.</div><div><br></div><div>If your IPv6 allocation exceeds the valu=
> e of the IPv4 allocation, you will pay the greater of the two.</div><div><b=
> r>
> 
> </div><div>You get a LOT for that, but, still.</div></div><div class=3D"gma=
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> <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Mark An=
> drews <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:marka at isc.org" target=3D"_bla=
> nk">marka at isc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
> " style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
> 
> <br>
> In message <<a href=3D"mailto:A3FB5D9FD28C50429DF7692DC31054E606E47A67 at D=
> C1INTADCW8201.yieldbroker.com">A3FB5D9FD28C50429DF7692DC31054E606E47A67 at DC1=
> INTADCW8201.yieldbroker.com</a>>,<br>
> =C2=A0Alex Samad - Yieldbroker writes:<br>
> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2002:<ipv4>:: (6to4) is not recommended.<br>
> ><br>
> > Care to explain why.<br>
> ><br>
> > So you get a /48 without having to pay for it, you don't have to u=
> se it to =3D<br>
> > do =C2=A06to4.<br>
> <br>
> If you are getting IPv4 address space from APNIC you can get IPv6<br>
> address space for $0. =C2=A0You pay MAX(IPv4 cost, IPv6 cost). =C2=A0ARIN a=
> nd<br>
> RIPE have similar policies I believe.<br>
> <br>
> > The only issue I see is if you can advertise the /48, but that would b=
> e a p=3D<br>
> > rocedural thing not a technical reason ... less there is something in =
> the r=3D<br>
> > fc... but I am thinking that would be strange.<br>
> <br>
> 6to4 has lots of gotchas that regular IPv6 space does not have.<br>
> <br>
> Firstly you do not advertise more specifics. =C2=A0This is to prevent<br>
> having to import the entire IPv4 routing space into IPv6 thereby<br>
> effectively doubling the routing table.<br>
> <br>
> You have idiots that filter IPv4 in IPv6.<br>
> <br>
> You have firewalls that don't allow reply packets in. =C2=A0They can co=
> me from<br>
> any IPv4 address not just the ones you send the encapsulated packets to.<br=
> >
> <br>
> You are depending apon the good will of others to {de}encapsulate<br>
> traffic. =C2=A0Some of these boxes have been known to get overloaded.<br>
> <br>
> > Alex<br>
> ><br>
> <span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
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