[AusNOG] Work experience in networking/telecoms/DCs? Getting my foot in the door?

Tue Dec 23 20:48:42 EST 2014

I think they have revamped their CCIE now (version 5) which I am gunning
(slowly) towards.

One of their bigger change is replacing Frame Relay with DMVPN. Also it is
now virtualised and I read it somewhere according to Cisco, it enables them
to do 20-ish routers (always changing) topology and can make it more to
"real-world".

This hopefully enough to iron out those textbook CCIEs.

I just remember one of my mate told a story about one particular CCIE doing
"switchport trunk allowed vlan xxx" instead of "switchport trunk allowed
vlan add xxx" and caused an outage. Companies losing money (according to
him. It's a stock trading company). Though it's weird they needed more time
to address where the issue was.

Regards,
Andy

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Michael Wheeler <
michael at michael-wheeler.org> wrote:

> Hopefully their exam simulation stuff improves. Twice now I've done an
> exam and you do something slightly unexpected that's not covered by the
> text book (but would satisfy the question requirements) and the simulation
> completely breaks. And not in the since of the network stops working, the
> actual simulation software does things that just repeats the same command
> over and over again without letting you enter in any input. Naturally the
> exam moderator where I do my exams doesn't even know how a router is meant
> to react nor knows how to tell Cisco that their sim is faulty so I get a
> failed exam and down a bunch of my own money. In the end I just rote
> memorized the solution off some website command for command so that the
> friggin sim wouldn't crash. Yes I feel dirty doing it that way which is why
> after that cert I haven't done any exams (even though I covered the
> material).
>
> Interested to see the future of network/communications qualifications...
>
> On 23 December 2014 at 17:12, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au> wrote:
>
>> On the topic, Cisco have identified textbook CCIE’s as an issue, they are
>> in the process of redoing all their certification tests to better align
>> with real world skills, with a lot more simulations and lab tests and a lot
>> less multiple choice etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know the CCNP TSHOOT exam has been redone as all simulation situations
>> with real equipment configurations etc, I know CCNP SWITCH and ROUTE were
>> pending the changeover when I last did any of them (a year ago roughly)
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it’s a very good idea and I’m glad that it is happening,
>> certifications are not worth a lot if you can hold one without actually
>> understanding what you have learnt….
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ayden Beeson
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Cameron
>> Ferdinands
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 December 2014 6:05 PM
>> *To:* Skeeve Stevens
>> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Work experience in networking/telecoms/DCs?
>> Getting my foot in the door?
>>
>>
>>
>> That's my one of my favourite interview questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Whats your favourite routing protocol?"
>>
>>
>>
>> There only wrong answer is reading a line from a textbook, if you love
>> RIP tell me why you love RIP! What's good about it? What's bad about it?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 December 2014 at 08:58, Skeeve Stevens <
>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yup.. had about a dozen last year.  And then even if they do have good
>> theoretical knowledge, the other thing missing is experience, common sense
>> and product knowledge.  Being a CCIE/NP and not being able to recommend a
>> switch model is annoying (for me).
>>
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>>
>>
>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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>> On 23 December 2014 at 08:54, Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think we've all being in that interview (or heard second hand) with a
>> textbook CCIE and when pressed can't seem to explain the simple things.
>>
>>
>>
>> experience is where it's at.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Scott Weeks <surfer at mauigateway.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com wrote:
>> From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>
>>
>> Then I would have a look at real work experience,
>> not certification boot camps..
>> ----------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> I wish more folks did this instead of starting off
>> interviews with cert-style questions, which seem to
>> only test rote memorization skills.
>>
>> scott
>>
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