[AusNOG] NBN Services (Business TC2) and MBE cutoff?

[John Cafarella]

Gents,


This may help to clarify:

http://telstrawholesale.com.au/nbn/cease-sale/index.htm



*John Cafarella*

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AAPT Field Operations, Southern Region

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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Tony <td_miles at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Doesn't seem you got any response to this question (or at least not
> on-list), so I'll bite, even if it just helps spark some discussion.
>
> There is an NBN page on this at:
>
> http://nbnco.com.au/campaigns/what-services-will-be-switched-off-disclaimer.html
>
> But it's less than clear on what is NOT going to be cut over in regards to
> ULL or other services, simply saying:
>
> =====
> exceptions to the switch-off are a set of specialised services mainly used
> by businesses, or phone or internet services that are already provided over
> fibre, or through a network provided by a building owner, or a cable
> internet network that's not owned by Telstra or Optus (such as Pivit or
> OptiComm).
> =====
>
> My understanding (from things I've heard) is that pretty much the only
> thing that WILL be cut over is PSTN/ADSL services. The big gap in my
> knowledge is what happens with ULL (ie. naked) services from other
> providers. Given that business SHDSL services are retained and these are
> essentially the same as ULL ADSL2+ services, I would have to think that ULL
> services will remain. Same for MBE, it's just a bunch of ULL's mashed
> together, so if it's staying, no reason for any ULL service not to remain ?
> They could of course make a distinction between ULL's for residential and
> ULL's for business and allow one to continue to be ordered and not the
> other.
>
> The only real reason that PSTN/ADSL services are being cut over is that
> the govt is paying telstra a bucket of money to make this happen to get
> some critical mass onto the NBN. Otherwise telstra (and others) would
> continue to happily offer DSL services at a price cheaper than a
> comparative NBN service and most people would happily stay with that.
>
> It is being built essentially in parallel to the existing CAN, so there is
> no requirement to get rid of the copper for duct/pit capacity constraints.
> This is being addressed by putting in new infrastructure as required.
>
> I agree that some clarification on ULL services would be good, I don't
> think anyone really knows at this point, especially with FTTN potentially
> being used. They would then need to either leave the ULL go back to the
> existing exchange location (for ULL services to continue to work) or they
> end up stranding any existing ULL based services (ie. the MBE services
> you're talking about). There could well be a couple of different "rules"
> depending on what sort of NBN services the area (FTTH, FTTN, HTC, etc).
>
>
>
>
> regards,
> Tony.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven Crockett <steven at crox.com.au>
> To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2014, 13:39
> Subject: [AusNOG] NBN Services (Business TC2) and MBE cutoff?
>
>
>
>
> Long time reader, first time poster ;-)
>
> Two questions:
> 1.       NBN has released their “business grade” products offering
> symmetrical bandwidth AVC in 5/10/20/30/40Mbps options with Traffic Class 2
> profile for separated and priority traffic configuration.
> So far as I can see this has been out for several months?!... But none of
> the major wholesalers are offering TC2 services that I can see… AAPT/TPG,
> Amcom, Nextgen, Symbio, Telstra have all said no (or can’t point me in the
> right direction)… and none of the
> major retail providers seem to be offering these services on their
> websites.
> Can anyone help me connect a 10/10M service in Pinjarra in WA on TC2 (it’s
> a business location for multi-channel voice, and needs QoS and preferably
> guaranteed bandwidth)???
>
> http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco2/documents/NBN%20for%20Business%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf
>
>
> 2.       A provider also mentioned that services ordered on MBE in areas
> with NBN connections won’t be cut off when the PSTN lines get
> disconnected.  So if say an area is slated for cut-off in August 2015, a
> service ordered on a 2 year MBE contract today is still fine.  This doesn’t
> sound right – if copper is disconnected, surely this applies to ULL
> services as well (why maintain part of a network?), or are there some
> exemptions that apply to ULL services, and if so – any indication on how
> long these may hang around after NBN switchover?  In the absence of readily
> available business grade NBN services (and given the high cost of 1:1 NBN
> services in metro areas where MBE services are substantially cheaper)… MBE
> still looks like a good option, I’m just not sure if the provider is
> telling a porky when I’ve seen no publicly available information about ULL
> services continuing?
>
> Appreciate any feedback or comments directly or indirectly!!
>
> Thanks
>
> Steven Crockett
> Datacom Systems (WA)
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