[AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention

[Robert Hudson]

This is very much like Conroy's Internet filter - the holes in the plan are
stupendously large.  So large in fact that I was actually on the ABC's 7:30
report demonstrating how simple it was to set up a VPN with an endpoint
outside the filter  to bypass any sort of filtering that was put in place.

When and if this latest brainfart legislation comes in, people will do
exactly the same thing as we thought they'd do when the filter was being
proposed -those who are doing the wrong thing will go deeper underground,
and those who don't do the wrong thing will be inconvenienced.  All it will
do (other than cause a lot of pain and cost a lot of money) is push those
who do wish to do the bad thing into using technologies that make it harder
for the government to monitor their activities.

That our national security "experts" can't see this concerns the shit out
of me - more than the proposed regulations, to be honest.


On 5 August 2014 10:57, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
> wrote:

> The thing is.. until we're actually told what we need to do... there is
> little point speculating about it... because it could be anything - or
> nothing.
>
> CDR's are easy... we have that to do billing.  Maillogs, well, that is
> stupid since very few people use their ISP's email addresses these days...
> most are on Gmail/Hotmail/etc.
>
> Web clicks.. that is a whole world of WTF...
>
> The whole proposal is stupid.  The funny thing is that is 200k (as
> reported) people are using VPN's to get to Netflix (as I do), then we could
> just torrent through that anyway, and the ISP wouldn't be able to see it.
>
> I'd love the government to try to intercept VPN's - watch businesses lose
> their minds if that happens.
>
> And if they leave VPN's alone (which I imagine they'd have to), then the
> popularity of VPN's will just go off.
>
> It is like when they were using the hype of predators on the internet...
> any self respecting non-idiot predator would be using a VPN or TOR, and any
> not, is advertising to get caught (which they all should be).
>
> Personally, I am not anti-piracy protections, but I am heavily against
> pointless and unenforcible policies.
>
> I should do a video about this :)
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Terry Sweetser (SkyMesh CTO) <
> terry+AusNOG at skymesh.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi Noggers,
>>
>> What thoughts and plans do people have in place for the possible legal
>> requirements for data retention?
>>
>> VoIP and PSTN CDRs are very much an easy-beat, no one would be discarding
>> those as quickly as 2 years.
>>
>> But mail logs?  Web clicks?  What scope are we talking about here? How
>> far will we possibly (be forced to) go?
>>
>> --
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