[AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We¹ll do our own FTTB

[Bevan Slattery]

Yeah - and it also says that you can extend up to 1km from the
pre-existing network.

I remember back in 2005 at PIPE we undertook analysis to create a
wholesale FttB play under something we called "Project Slam" (DSLAM'ing
buildings was the logic behind the unimaginative name).  The blueprint
included everything from fibre build cost per building, in-building
DLSAM's with battery backup, land-access notices, building hit list,
wholesale voice/VoIP handoff, wholesale L2 handoff (separate), auto
provisioning for new tenants (plug-in and select your provider and plan
from the list etc.).  We used 127 Creek St as our demo site setting up
VDSL (because if was from the MDF we avoided the regulatory restrictions
on VDSL that applied at the time).  I think back then we were settled on
Zhone.

Back in 2005 there were 20,000 apartments in at least 4 story buildings
within something like 300m of our network.  A network that spanned about
50km.  In early 2006 we recut the analysis it was already well over
100,000 such MDU's. When Sol Trujillo threatened to build a FttN (late
2006?) we recut it again and I think it was something like 2,000,000
properties within either 500m or 1km of the network.  Granted that's
parcels, not just MDU's, but when you consider 1km of PIPE's Network in
2011 (almost 2,000km from memory) it would include everything in Sydney
from Mascot to Chatswood on about an 8km corridor, everything in North
Ryde/Macquarie Park, Rhodes/Silverwater/Olympic Park, most of the Eastern
Suburbs, Northern Beaches, Paramatta, Penrith etc. and that's just the
areas of Sydney that would have "blanket ability" to walk through cherry
picking (1km).

I would think 500,000 MDU's would easily in reach both commercially and
without the need for regulatory intervention.  This is just one of
numerous projects/blueprints we did behind the scenes.  Did anyone want to
know what it would cost to build fibre to every building in the inner
metro areas of Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne?  Well someone now has that.
 Ahhh those were the days ;)

Cheers

[b]



On 18/09/13 7:05 AM, "Matthew Moyle-Croft" <mmc at mmc.com.au> wrote:

>Need to be precise about what the legislation says/doesn't say: It
>doesn't say you can't compete, but that you must provide an
>equivalently priced/function wholesale service.
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>On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>
>wrote:
>> I think that the suggestion that there would be at least two monopolies
>> under the new government as opposed to just one monopoly under the
>>previous
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>> Š and then went  on to (tacitly) suggest that we in the Internet
>>business
>> shouldn¹t be allowed to compete with the previous monopoly & that it¹s
>> unfair that TPG now attempt to compete with the monopoly.
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>> As Graham Lynch pointed out Š competing was previously banned by the
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>> Federal Government Š truly the most regressive legislation ever seen by
>>a
>> capitalist society!
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>> Of course in the 20th century the Labour Gov of the day clearly didn¹t
>>know
>> what they were doing because they changed the law to ALLOW Carriers to
>> compete with the old monopoly.
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>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Glen
>> Greig
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 4:23 PM
>> To: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We¹ll do our own FTTB
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>> Cleanest way to do it would be to cut away all the copper. If you don't,
>> your going to have mid-point injection problems, initially with long
>>line
>> ADSL2 lines and when the NBN arrives it's not going to play nice with
>>the
>> vectoring.
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>> So your stuck with a monopoly, or not realizing all the benefits of
>>fttb.
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>> Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:
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>> Better TPG monopoly than Telstra. And it won't be a monopoly of
>> connectivity, people would still be able to use copper. In other words,
>> sounds like a strawman argument.
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>> Not to mention its hardly different to Telstras HFC network.... lol.
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>> Anyway sounds like a great plan to me, TPG/PIPE etc etc have been
>>offering
>> FTTB to businesses for the past 5 years, I see no reason why they don't
>>use
>> the fiber they already have in the streets to hook up all the remaining
>> buildings (somoene called Damien (is that you Damian?) posted similar
>>in the
>> comments for the OP link).
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>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>
>>wrote:
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>> This will most likely have the effect of the government going
>>"brilliant,
>> private enterprise is stepping up here, we dont need to deploy a
>>competing
>> infrastructure" and then thoes half million premises will end up stuck
>>with
>> a monopoly controlled by TPG (unless iiNet / Telstra also decide to over
>> build into thoes same apartments - if they can)
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>> --Damian
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>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Skeeve Stevens
>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
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>> From:  http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/17/screw-nbn-says-tpg-well-fttb/
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>> Screw the NBN, says TPG: We¹ll do our own FTTB
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>> National broadband company TPG has flagged plans to deploy so-called
>>fibre
>> to the basement infrastructure to some 500,000 apartments in major
>> Australian capital cities, in a move which will compete directly with
>>the
>> new Coalition Government¹s plans to conduct similar rollouts under the
>> National Broadband Network scheme.
>>
>> Under the incoming Coalition Federal Government¹s NBN policy, fibre will
>> typically not be extended all the way to home and business premises.
>> Instead, the Government is planning to deploy fibre to neighbourhood
>> Œnodes¹, and then use Telstra¹s existing copper cable for the remainder
>>of
>> the distance to premises.
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>> Communications Minister-elect Malcolm Turnbull has also stated that a
>> Coalition Government would also examine so-called Œfibre to the
>>basement¹
>> schemes, where fibre is extended to a building¹s basement or other
>>junction
>> point, and then the building¹s existing copper cable is used to
>>distribute
>> broadband to individual apartments or business premises.
>>
>> However, in documents associated with its financial results briefing
>>today,
>> national broadband provider TPG ‹ one of Australia¹s largest ISPs and
>>telcos
>> ‹ revealed its own plans to skip the Government¹s planned rollout and
>> leverage its own fibre infrastructure to deploy FTTB.
>>
>> Courtesy of its existing PIPE Networks business, TPG has extensive fibre
>> infrastructure in built-up areas of major capital cities throughout
>> Australia. In its briefing documents, the company said it would be
>> ³leveraging and expanding our existing fibre network² to deploy ³fibre
>>to
>> the building² in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. The
>>ISP
>> has ³500k units currently in design².
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>> ³The Group is planning to increase the number of buildings directly
>> connected to its fibre network in metro areas,² the company added.
>>³With the
>> evolution of new technologies now enabling speeds of up to 100Mbps, this
>> will enable the Group to commence offering very high-speed broadband
>> services to its customers at ADSL2+ prices.²
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>> TPG noted in its briefing documents that it would be offering up to
>>100Mbps
>> packages including ³unlimited² downloads and home phone line rental, as
>>well
>> as a bundled Wi-Fi modem and unlimited local calls and ³standard²
>>national
>> calls to landlines, for $69.99 per month.
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>> Further opportunities may come due to the company¹s purchase of a small
>> amount of wireless spectrum in the 2.5GHz band, which will become
>>available
>> from October 2014. TPG noted that the acquisition of the spectrum would
>>give
>> TPG ³opportunities to offer innovative, value-adding products² to
>>³further
>> enhance² the company¹s product suite. In its documents, TPG specifically
>> called out the service as having the potential to add value for TPG
>> customers connected to FTTB or NBN offerings. It may be possible for the
>> company to offer wireless services in-building from its fibre
>>termination
>> point.
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>> Under the previous Labor administration, it is unlikely that TPG would
>>have
>> been allowed to pursue its FTTB plans, given that Labor¹s policy would
>>have
>> prohibited private operators from overbuilding the NBN in most cases.
>> However, it is unclear what the Coalition¹s view on the situation would
>>be.
>> Turnbull has stated that he believes in infrastructure-based
>>competition to
>> the Coalition¹s own NBN infrastructure, meaning it may be possible TPG
>>may
>> be allowed ‹ or even encouraged ‹ to continue with the deployment. It¹s
>>also
>> unclear whether TPG would need to open its infrastructure to competitive
>> wholesale access.
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>> The news comes as Turnbull has recently highlighted another deployment
>>along
>> similar lines. The rollout, in a housing estate in Sydney, is already
>> delivering 100Mbps download and 40Mbps upload speeds.
>>
>> opinion/analysis
>> Very, very interesting move from TPG here, and although it obviously
>>comes
>> as part of the company¹s normal financial results briefing, I strongly
>> suspect it would not have been announced today unless the Coalition won
>> power in the Federal Election several weeks ago. TPG obviously smells
>>the
>> chance here to get in first and deploy FTTB in valuable areas.
>>
>> I need to go away and do some research on this one before forming an
>> opinion. But I¹m sure y¹all will post some opinions of your own below
>>this
>> article ;)
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>> Written by Renai LeMay on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:54
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>> ...Skeeve
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>> Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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