[AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB

[Matthew Moyle-Croft]

Need to be precise about what the legislation says/doesn't say: It
doesn't say you can't compete, but that you must provide an
equivalently priced/function wholesale service.


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au> wrote:
> I think that the suggestion that there would be at least two monopolies
> under the new government as opposed to just one monopoly under the previous
> (yes I wrote that on purpose J)
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> … and then went  on to (tacitly) suggest that we in the Internet business
> shouldn’t be allowed to compete with the previous monopoly & that it’s
> unfair that TPG now attempt to compete with the monopoly.
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> As Graham Lynch pointed out … competing was previously banned by the former
> Federal Government … truly the most regressive legislation ever seen by a
> capitalist society!
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> Of course in the 20th century the Labour Gov of the day clearly didn’t know
> what they were doing because they changed the law to ALLOW Carriers to
> compete with the old monopoly.
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> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Glen
> Greig
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 4:23 PM
> To: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB
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> Cleanest way to do it would be to cut away all the copper. If you don't,
> your going to have mid-point injection problems, initially with long line
> ADSL2 lines and when the NBN arrives it's not going to play nice with the
> vectoring.
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> So your stuck with a monopoly, or not realizing all the benefits of fttb.
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> Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:
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> Better TPG monopoly than Telstra. And it won't be a monopoly of
> connectivity, people would still be able to use copper. In other words,
> sounds like a strawman argument.
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> Not to mention its hardly different to Telstras HFC network.... lol.
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> Anyway sounds like a great plan to me, TPG/PIPE etc etc have been offering
> FTTB to businesses for the past 5 years, I see no reason why they don't use
> the fiber they already have in the streets to hook up all the remaining
> buildings (somoene called Damien (is that you Damian?) posted similar in the
> comments for the OP link).
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> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
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> This will most likely have the effect of the government going "brilliant,
> private enterprise is stepping up here, we dont need to deploy a competing
> infrastructure" and then thoes half million premises will end up stuck with
> a monopoly controlled by TPG (unless iiNet / Telstra also decide to over
> build into thoes same apartments - if they can)
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> --Damian
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> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Skeeve Stevens
> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
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> From:  http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/17/screw-nbn-says-tpg-well-fttb/
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> Screw the NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB
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> National broadband company TPG has flagged plans to deploy so-called fibre
> to the basement infrastructure to some 500,000 apartments in major
> Australian capital cities, in a move which will compete directly with the
> new Coalition Government’s plans to conduct similar rollouts under the
> National Broadband Network scheme.
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> Under the incoming Coalition Federal Government’s NBN policy, fibre will
> typically not be extended all the way to home and business premises.
> Instead, the Government is planning to deploy fibre to neighbourhood
> ‘nodes’, and then use Telstra’s existing copper cable for the remainder of
> the distance to premises.
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> Communications Minister-elect Malcolm Turnbull has also stated that a
> Coalition Government would also examine so-called ‘fibre to the basement’
> schemes, where fibre is extended to a building’s basement or other junction
> point, and then the building’s existing copper cable is used to distribute
> broadband to individual apartments or business premises.
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> However, in documents associated with its financial results briefing today,
> national broadband provider TPG — one of Australia’s largest ISPs and telcos
> — revealed its own plans to skip the Government’s planned rollout and
> leverage its own fibre infrastructure to deploy FTTB.
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> Courtesy of its existing PIPE Networks business, TPG has extensive fibre
> infrastructure in built-up areas of major capital cities throughout
> Australia. In its briefing documents, the company said it would be
> “leveraging and expanding our existing fibre network” to deploy “fibre to
> the building” in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. The ISP
> has “500k units currently in design”.
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> “The Group is planning to increase the number of buildings directly
> connected to its fibre network in metro areas,” the company added. “With the
> evolution of new technologies now enabling speeds of up to 100Mbps, this
> will enable the Group to commence offering very high-speed broadband
> services to its customers at ADSL2+ prices.”
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> TPG noted in its briefing documents that it would be offering up to 100Mbps
> packages including “unlimited” downloads and home phone line rental, as well
> as a bundled Wi-Fi modem and unlimited local calls and “standard” national
> calls to landlines, for $69.99 per month.
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> Further opportunities may come due to the company’s purchase of a small
> amount of wireless spectrum in the 2.5GHz band, which will become available
> from October 2014. TPG noted that the acquisition of the spectrum would give
> TPG “opportunities to offer innovative, value-adding products” to “further
> enhance” the company’s product suite. In its documents, TPG specifically
> called out the service as having the potential to add value for TPG
> customers connected to FTTB or NBN offerings. It may be possible for the
> company to offer wireless services in-building from its fibre termination
> point.
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> Under the previous Labor administration, it is unlikely that TPG would have
> been allowed to pursue its FTTB plans, given that Labor’s policy would have
> prohibited private operators from overbuilding the NBN in most cases.
> However, it is unclear what the Coalition’s view on the situation would be.
> Turnbull has stated that he believes in infrastructure-based competition to
> the Coalition’s own NBN infrastructure, meaning it may be possible TPG may
> be allowed — or even encouraged — to continue with the deployment. It’s also
> unclear whether TPG would need to open its infrastructure to competitive
> wholesale access.
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> The news comes as Turnbull has recently highlighted another deployment along
> similar lines. The rollout, in a housing estate in Sydney, is already
> delivering 100Mbps download and 40Mbps upload speeds.
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> opinion/analysis
> Very, very interesting move from TPG here, and although it obviously comes
> as part of the company’s normal financial results briefing, I strongly
> suspect it would not have been announced today unless the Coalition won
> power in the Federal Election several weeks ago. TPG obviously smells the
> chance here to get in first and deploy FTTB in valuable areas.
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> I need to go away and do some research on this one before forming an
> opinion. But I’m sure y’all will post some opinions of your own below this
> article ;)
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> Written by Renai LeMay on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:54
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> ...Skeeve
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