[AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We'll do our own FTTB

[Robert Hudson]

If the model you propose would work, the network would already exist. And
Telstra would truly offer equal services in the bush as they do in the city.

But take a look at the HFC rollout maps, and tell me just how successful
market forces have been in providing decent infrastructure to everyone.

Take a look at the inequality of access to decent telecommunications
infrastructure provided by an organisation who are legally obligated to
provide fair access for all (and still fail miserably to do so).

How well has the model you propose worked so far? Really?

And again - the NBN does *not* cost us (the nation) $37b. Or even $90b if
you choose to believe Turnbull's build costs. It costs us the interest on
those amounts, but only until the loans are paid back/bonds mature (and the
rates are stupidly low)- and then the country owns a modern, high tech
infrastructure that will drive the nation forward.

Alternatively,  we can rent access from commercial interests (to serve
commercial interests) for the rest of our days, which will never be built
to service all people equally.
On 17/09/2013 7:55 PM, "Paul Wallace" <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au> wrote:

> The whole thing is so fundamentally hypocritical it takes my breath away.
>
> Take education for example ...
>
> Today the tax payers of Australia continue to face further & further costs
> to build new schools to educate our kids.
>
> Fortunately Private schools discovered a business for themselves case
> despite the competition offering FREE education.
>
> This is so attractive to the tax payers of Australia that today, tax
> payers part funds private schools. That's a lot LESS expensive than the
> alternative which would obviously be forced to 100% fund that education.
>
> Over to telecoms ...
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> The Government wishes to build the NBN to resolve the capacity
> deficiencies.
>
> TPG offers on better than in the case of the private schools example &
> asks for ZERO financial assistance, the effect of which is to save the
> taxpayers a fortunate.
>
> The argument that you need to then build an NBN to every single household
> in the country (at the cost of $37 billion) just so they can raise funds to
> then use to fund the subsidization of the services in the bush is, with
> respect, utterly devoid of any logic!
>
> E.G. why not just keep the $37billion & impose a new tax to the same value
> instead?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Jake
> Anderson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:54 PM
> To: Tom Lanyon
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We'll do our own FTTB
>
> On 17/09/13 18:47, Tom Lanyon wrote:
> > On 17/09/2013, at 6:09 PM, Jake Anderson <yahoo at vapourforge.com> wrote:
> >> On 17/09/2013, at 5:14 PM, Nick Gale <nickgale at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Are you saying we should have the ability for NBN competitors? If so
> why?
> >> Because if you don't then private enterprise will build a bunch of
> little fiefdoms where it will be uneconomical for anybody else to try to
> take market share with diminishing returns, and as a bonus all those areas
> in "the bush"       that the population as a whole is rather fond of won't
> get any services at all because its not "economic" to do so.
> > None of which would be an issue, assuming that this is all occurring in
> parallel to the NBN, right?
> >
> It means private networks would undercut the NBN for price in the
> "profitable" areas making the NBN which is meant to span the whole country
> not viable.
> How the coalition plans to solve this one has yet to be explained.
>
> IE
> NBNco now buys the copper off telstra for X $Bn, Telstra uses that money
> to drop fibre in the "profitable" areas, sells fibre services cheaper than
> NBNco can sell vdsl as NBNco is expected to support your aunt in the
> country and copper costs more to maintain anyway.
> NBNco goes bankrupt, gets sold back to Telstra for cents in the dollar.
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