[AusNOG] NBN Co Petition

Thu Sep 12 06:36:18 EST 2013

I think there was a good chance those "idiots" were probably from the defence.

Consider that the NBN is intended to be "one access network to rule them all", to be used for Internet, voice service, eftpos, traffic control, electricity monitoring, mobile backhaul and every other type of traffic it could carry to make the "business case" for its cost.

Now consider that there were only going to be two POIs in each city, so only two locations that those external services could connect to it. In the case of the Adelaide POIs, they were also servicing Darwin.

Availability is a weakest link problem. Regardless of the redundancy inside the NBN, there were very few interconnection locations, so the interconnection points were the weakest link in the delivery of all of these Internet, voice, eftpos, mobile backhaul etc. services. If the two POIs in a state were destroyed, the redundancy inside the NBN doesn't matter, as all of the services delivered over it are now unavailable. Even if only one of the POIs were destroyed, switching literally millions of services over to the remaining POI would have a dramatic impact and likely reasonably long lasting impact before recovery (and anybody who's experienced radius server authentication stampedes would have only an inkling of how bad it could be). The cost to RSPs to support complete service redundancy without degradation in alternative POIs would have been massive. 

For example, in Adelaide, just for broadband Internet related services, Adam Internet, Internode and Telstra each have two separate facilities (that aren't shared) where broadband backhaul/services are terminated. So to have a significant impact on just Internet services in Adelaide, *six* buildings have to be destroyed at once. There are more separate facilities being used to provide Internet and other services by other carriers. All ISPs share Telstra exchanges to deliver services to customers, however there are more than 30 in Adelaide. It is much harder to lose Internet access today than it would be post a 14 POI NBN deployment.

If cost of connection was the only consideration in POI design, then the correct answer is only one POI for the whole of Australia. That would be the cheapest thing for all RSPs, and all RSPs would get national coverage. I'm sure a lot of RSPs would like that, but I don't think they're considering their service availability at all if they do. When push comes to shove, I think availability is more important than cost, because if a network isn't available to it's customers, lack of paying customers will be a much bigger problem than what the network costs, including redundancy costs.

If one POI is not a good answer because of lack of POI availability, then 14 isn't enough either, given how critical this network is to all of Australia's communications services. Take out 2 of the 14 POIs, and 1/7th of Australia's telecommunications services are down. Take out 2 of the 200 POIs, and only 1/100th of Australia's telecommunications services are down.

An intentional outage of x * 1/14th of Australia's telecommunications services by destroying POIs would likely be considered by the Australian military to be a very significant threat to national security. 

I think the original 14 POI decision was made people who hadn't quite realised that they were building a network that had to be as available as the *sum* of all of the others that were going to be made obsolete.

Regards,
Mark.

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> From: Phillip Grasso <phillip.grasso at gmail.com>
>To: Chris Hurley <chris at minopher.net.au> 
>Cc: "AusNOG (AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net)" <AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net> 
>Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 3:22 PM
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>can we petition they be rid the idiots that suggested and the other idiots that agreed to a poi per metro. Its brilliant strategy if your an incumbent wanting to make it high entry cost to compete on a national rsp perspective, but a royal pain in the behind if you're < tier 1, 1.5 carrier.  I suppose 200+ is better then 5000+
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>On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Chris Hurley <chris at minopher.net.au> wrote:
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>Super fast train has been on the books for 30 years :-( but every Tom, Dick and Harry once the route is laid out says, “Not in my back yard”. Small pressure groups have derailed 99% of rail projects. I can tell you of one major project that got screwed by 1 person saying to the authorities you can’t have 1m of my back yard no matter how much compo you offer. So guess what 10’s of thousands of people have a sub standard rail link.
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>>On 11/09/13 2:36 PM, "Paul Wallace" <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au> wrote:
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>>Why not?
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>>>I know a few people who believe that the building super high speed trains between all capital cities would be the right thing to do by the people that cannot fly.
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>>>I'd bet you could get 135k people to sign a petition demanding that proposal be supported too!
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>>>But I like to fly so personally I don't wish to pay further tax to fund it.
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>>>-P
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>>>would really love to enjoy an international airport located at
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>>>On 11/09/2013, at 2:18 PM, "Chris Gibbs" <Chris.Gibbs at gosford.nsw.gov.au> wrote:
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>>>Hopefully not…..
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>>>>From: Paul Wallace [mailto:paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au] 
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 2:14 PM
>>>>To: Nathan Sullivan
>>>>Cc: Chris Gibbs; AusNOG (AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net)
>>>>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN Co Petition
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>>>>Those who sign will be asked to pay for the build!
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>>>>Sent from my iPhone powered by Polyfone Telecom
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>>>>On 11/09/2013, at 1:36 PM, "Nathan Sullivan" <nathan at nightsys.net> wrote:
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>>>>>Hopefully they will take notice soon... the count seems to be steadily going up (135k currently)
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>>>>>http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn
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>>>>>On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Chris Gibbs <Chris.Gibbs at gosford.nsw.gov.au> wrote:
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>>>>>>Basically a petition requesting the Coalition keep NBN Co the way it has been setup to deploy FTTP.
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>>>>>>Not sure if/when the Government will take notice…….
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>>>>>>http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-10/university-student-petition-to-scrap-nbn-takes-off-online/4949372
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>>>>>>Cheers,
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>>>>>>Chris
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