[AusNOG] GoodBye NBN

[James Hodgkinson]

"People" really don't understand anything more than "that Turnbull guy said
it would be cheaper and faster"... even some of the guys in my team agree
with that viewpoint. :'(

James


On 9 September 2013 11:28, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au> wrote:

> Last Saturday the people of Australia voted the supporters of FTTH out on
> & voted the supporters of FTTN in.****
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> That tells us that more people don’t care about the problems to do with
> the copper CAN than people who do care.****
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> *From:* Jake Anderson [mailto:yahoo at vapourforge.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 11:20 AM
> *To:* Paul Wallace
> *Cc:* Chard, Alex (RET-SYD); Peter Betyounan; Noel Butler;
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
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> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] GoodBye NBN****
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> It is a logical position.
> You are trading one set of flaws for another, if that trade results in a
> net gain then it is a "good thing".
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> The only flaw that has been identified with the FTTH *network* in this
> discussion (not the applications such as voip running over said network) is
> operation in a blackout lasting longer than 4 hours (or 8 hours if you can
> get the person to press the emergency button).
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> This is a solvable problem, you can supply power at a location with any
> level of reliability that you desire, Put some bigass batteries in and a
> solar panel if you have to, hell put a mini diesel generator in as well if
> you are really worried. However the number of people who would benefit from
> this to my mind is small and shrinking.
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> The copper network also has major failures, what happens when it rains and
> the lines get "crossed" to the point you can't dial out or understand a
> call you are receiving, or they just crap out totally, this happens to my
> father about once a year. Or when there is a flood in QLD and nothing works
> till it dries out again.
> The solution to this problem is to run new copper, which I feel given the
> solvable nature of the FTTH systems issues and its benefits in operation is
> a bad trade.
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> Now FTTN will take coppers problems and make them worse I feel, unless
> they have waterproof nodes now?
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> On 09/09/13 10:59, Paul Wallace wrote:****
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> I agree …****
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> It’s not logical to suggest that we should replace the copper network
> because it’s flawed to then suggest that it’s OK that the new network is
> flawed.****
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> -P****
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>]
> *On Behalf Of *Chard, Alex (RET-SYD)
> *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 10:56 AM
> *To:* Peter Betyounan; Noel Butler
> *Cc:* AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] GoodBye NBN****
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> I can’t agree with this argument. It’s nothing to do with planning for the
> older generation.****
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> The problems mentioned below are real problems. And they *are not*problems that are insurmountable.
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> They *are* problems that should be addressed.****
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> Nobody here is saying ‘stop the NBN rollout, old people can’t cope with
> it’ (or at least I hope they are not).****
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> They are pointing out problems that need looking at.****
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> But your assertion below is not valid, because cars with all these fancy
> new features that old people don’t have the skills to use still go when you
> press the accelerator, and stop when you press the brake.****
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> They have no broken features… and are ‘backwards compatible’ with old
> people J****
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> --Alex Chard****
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>]
> *On Behalf Of *Peter Betyounan
> *Sent:* Monday, 9 September 2013 10:45 AM
> *To:* Noel Butler
> *Cc:* AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] GoodBye NBN****
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> Again planning for the older generation not the current or next, it's like
> saying hey lets stop building more advance cars with parking assist, GPS,
> reverse parking sensors, fancy alarms because the older generation don't
> have the technical skills for them. ****
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> Regards, *
> Peter Betyounan*****
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> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net>
> wrote:****
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> On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 10:23 +1000, Robert Hudson wrote: ****
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> On 9 September 2013 10:15, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote: ***
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> So, your landlines die after an hour of power outage now? find that hard
> to believe... sniff sniff, yes, troll day appears to have come early this
> week..****
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> To be fair, many people with cordless phones (and there are lots) would
> start having issues pretty quickly into a power outage.  Sure, a corded
> phone may still work, but many people don't have them. ****
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> thats there problem, you can buy cheap wired sets for 10 bucks from places
> like Sams warehouse****
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> and as for portable, how many old folk (70/80+) run around living on their
> mobiles. SFA thats how many.
> just because the average person and their inner circles here live on the
> things, dont assume the rest of the population does as well.
> and the elderly are the MOST and highest "at risk"   from this change. ***
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> My 88yo grandmother has a mobile phone that she answers more regularly
> than she answers her landline (which, FYI, has a cordless phone connected
> to it).  I'd suggest assumptions are bad no matter who's argument they're
> supporting. :) ****
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> Maybe so, my dad who's approaching 80 also has one,mum does not, and does
> not want one either, but none of his, or mum's friends do have one. I would
> expect people related to technical people may, but don't go assuming they
> all do, if I went up to the RSL on a packet out Saturday arvo and held a
> vote I'd be betting maybe only 10/20 might have one.
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