[AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?

[Skeeve Stevens]

James,

>From what I understand:

- A VxC (VLAN) is $200 for inter-DC (basically intra-state)
- A VxC is $100 for intra-DC (inside the same DC)
- They will be doing daily pricing as well - Bevan mentioned in a previous
email that the figure would be $20/day
- I don't know if there is a price for Interstate VxC as they have a volume
component charge (in 100meg increments I believe), but they might



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On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:21 PM, James Pearce <james at webvault.com.au> wrote:

> According to the pricing on their website a Virtual XConnect is still
> $200, and intrastate fees are extra.  Am I reading it right?   Is that
> cheap?   I guess if you need to layer 2 cross with someone in another data
> centre then yes, otherwise its only mildly convenient with less redundancy.
>     When its $200 a VCX for Perth to Sydney at 1GBPS I am going to get
> excited.  Is that on the cards?   The “mega” in megaport is still  missing
> until that happens for me ….****
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Daniel
> Watson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 15 October 2013 2:27 PM
> *To:* brad at delion.com.au
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?****
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> Reading over this thread throughout the day, it seems to me that people
> are forgetting that you still need the cross connect within the DC to get
> connected to MegaPort's switching within the DC, so you would still have to
> pay that $225/month or what ever fees you have worked out with the DC in
> question.****
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> *From:* AusNOG [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] on behalf of Brad Evans [
> brad at delion.com.au]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:21 PM
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?****
>
> I'm curious how the datacenters feel about potentially losing all this
> cross connect revenue.  It has to be a pretty fair chunk of their profit.
> We all know that it doesn't cost $225/month (>$8k over 3 years) for 50m of
> fibre to sit in a tray, but we know that that 10Kva of redundant, protected
> power and cooling is worth every cent we pay for it.
>
> I think Macca raised a reasonable point... everything on 1 physical port
> is crazy.  But everyone else has made the obvious conclusion that
> Megaport[S] open up some fantastic options for us all.    How exactly does
> the service work if we take 2 ports? Are they aggregated or active/standby
> ? Is it the same cost to take up the 2nd port?
>
> Cheers
>
> -Brad
>
> ****
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> On 15/10/2013 5:10 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:****
>
> Hey Brent, ****
>
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> I don't think it removes the cost of cross-connects, but it certainly
> makes it a hell of a lot cheaper.****
>
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> From what one of the guys at MP told me, intra-dc will be $100/mth...
> which when you look at places like Equinix which does Fibre at $290/mth -
> this will essentially third that for permanent connections.****
>
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>
> I'm not sure of the final numbers, but Bevan mentioned $20/day (as opposed
> to $200/mth) if you only want a short term connection up and running.****
>
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> The trick here will be for Megaport to automate this so smoothly that
> VxC's are brought online VERY quickly.. perhaps even have non-active
> pre-provisioned ones (with VLAN's, etc) between two points, ready to come
> up at a moments notice.****
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> The datacentres these Cross-Connect fee savings will help massively will
> be places like Globalswitch with their insane install costs, ongoing
> monthlies and maze of suites run by different people with different rules.
> ****
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Brent Paddon <brent.paddon at gmail.com>
> wrote:****
>
> Absolutely.  To be honest I see it as just another crossconnect - we
> already have a number of customers in both GS and Equinix directly
> connected.  This will just make it a bit easier (removing cost of internal
> xconnects) and make it easier for us to sell (and buy from) others in DC's
> that we dont have a current presence in (eg S1, etc).  Bring it on I say :)
> ****
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> Bevan disrupting the status quo (his specialty I think) ... :)****
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:****
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> Brent, ****
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> You guys going to offer any of your products on Megaport VxC?****
>
>
> ****
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Brent Paddon <brent.paddon at gmail.com>
> wrote:****
>
> Its certainly going to change the way we all buy (and sell) services to
> each other.  Definitely going to break down the current somewhat high
> inter-DC connectivity costs. ****
>
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> I think the model that they've come up with is a winner and I'd be awfully
> surprised if there isn't a significant amount of traffic (mainly on the
> VXC's) pretty shortly...as soon as the rollout has reached that critical
> mass.****
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> I expect to see a LOT more connectivity between people (especially for
> those selling aggregation ports / last-mile access products), transit,
> cloudy stuff, etc.  The current pain-in-arse of being in different DC's is
> pretty much going to go away.  Heck, we all know what the cost of
> cross-connects _inside_ DC's is like at the moment.****
>
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> I also think that forcing people to go 10G is a smart move.****
>
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> We have our testing port up and running in Equinix - but yet to do any
> VXCs.   Hopefully bringing on a Brisbane port shortly.****
>
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> Brent****
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:****
>
> Hey Macca, ****
>
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>
> I know you say unaffiliated, but I also know this product of Megaport
> directly competes with Vocus fibre to a certain degree.****
>
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> Let's be honest... we're not talking running things over peering here... I
> really don't see any quality difference running a VLAN over layer 2
> Vocus/AAPT/Pipe/others and Megaport...   sounds more like a scare tactic to
> be honest.  Unless you have insight that you would like to share (honestly,
> I'd like to know)****
>
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> If we are talking dark vs. layer 2, then I would agree.... but I am also
> not suggesting everyone run absolutely everything over one Megaport
> connection... go dual feeds if you want.. I am sure they'd sell it.  But...
> I see something interesting here, and I see it as the future of how
> inter-dc connections will be one - whether it is Megaport, or Vocus or Pipe
> get in on the game too... I see it as a great idea.****
>
>
> ****
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM, McDonald Richards <
> McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au> wrote:****
>
> All my mission critical services on the one physical port and cabling? I
> can't wait!****
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> On 15/10/2013, at 3:24 PM, "Skeeve Stevens" <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:****
>
> OK all, ****
>
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> The time is arriving for DC-Virtual Cross-Connects to become a useful part
> of our ISP lives.****
>
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> Whether it is Megaport, or other fibre providers who choose to replicate
> the model, the Megaport one is what we've got at the moment, and we might
> as well start using it.****
>
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> I've been having a few discussions with people about buying connectivity
> (not just transit) over the Megaport VxC fabric, but I am not sure if
> anyone out there has productised the selling of products over the VxC
> fabric.****
>
> ** **
>
> I know people like Amazon AWS will now allow you to connect to them over
> Megaport with a Direct Connect... and that is great.****
>
> ** **
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> What I am looking for are some transit providers who are on, or getting on
> Megaport, who will sell either Transit or Wholesale services over the
> fabric.****
>
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> I was at an event recently, when Jason Ashton said that he was willing to
> do BigAir wholesale interconnects over Megaport - and that is an awesome
> start.  What I would love to see is people like AAPT, iSeek, M2 and others
> be able to sell more wholesale tails over this fabric.****
>
> ** **
>
> Transit should be an easy one. for $200 intrastate between any connected
> DC's, with capacity up to the connection of your pipe (10Gb or 100Gb), I
> see people selling transit as a no-brainer.****
>
>
> If you are doing this and want to announce it here, awesome... or if you
> don't want to announce yet, but happy to let me know - I will keep it quiet
> until you are ready to announce it.****
>
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> Also... other IXs... Pipe, Australia IX, Equinix Peering - have you
> thought of connecting to Megaport for the VxC, so people can actually use
> the Megaport fabric to get onto your IX as well?
> ****
>
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