[AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based

Fri Oct 11 13:31:41 EST 2013

Degrees are optional in networking team. Obviously preferred but not
required. We focus on quality individuals and we've got quiet a few without
degrees or degrees in the non-computing areas.

I have mixed feelings about certifications, imho they don't carry the
weight that they once did, with the proliferation of testking and the like,
its entirely possible to get certification without experience, hard knocks
and real lessons in engineering/operations.

If i had network engineer in my titled, i'd hopefully understand the
statements below.

* 1+1 = 10; this makes sense to you and why.

* You understand how to IP subnet in your head, calculator not needed.
 e.g. you know how many ip addresses in /22 without really thinking too
hard.

If you understand below, You're probably more prepared to the required
skills changes coming into the industry that was highlighted at the last
Ausnog in the evolution of of a 'network engineer'

0.2+0.1 = 0.30000000000000004

None of the above is difficult or complicated concepts.

> Very rarely are good people sitting around, unemployed or not paid their
> worth.... otherwise they wouldn't be good.  If they don't have common sense
> in life looking after themselves, they probably can't do it in their
> professional roles either.
>
> There are also different kinds of people:
>
> 1. Raw talent with some experience (no certs or degrees)
> 2. Those who follow certification
> 3. Those with degrees (often with certs) but rarely with any experience.
>
> Personally, in our space, I place no value on degrees at all.. They're
> just not the kind of people we need.  In Networking, we do care about
> certs, or favour those willing to get them.  This is only partly about the
> skill aspect, and more about vendor partner requirements which can help
> with purchasing discounts and so on - but some certs are just very good,
> like the new Juniper JNC*S*P range... excellent exams.
>
> The guys from 1. above are good, and in some fields, certs don't matter...
> but they're often the hardest working of all as they know they need to
> prove themselves.  The younger they are, the harder they are to manage.
>  Never think a $35k guy is a good deal... you will spend another $10k-$15k
> just in managing them.  Any GenY's and iGen's also come with their own
> particular way of (not) working, and management overheads.
>
> Phillip... do you focus on a particular group, or does it depend on the
> role, or do you have some minimums?
>
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>
> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>
> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ;  <http://twitter.com/networkceoau>
> linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>
> twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
>
>
> The Experts Who The Experts Call
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>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Phillip Grasso <phillip.grasso at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Google has plenty of roles available in Sydney<https://www.google.com/about/jobs/search/?#!t=jo&jid=31172&>for appropriate candidates.
>>
>> We have roles in Network Engineering, Optical Transport Engineering, Unix
>> System Administration, Networking Software Engineers, Network Surveillance
>> all in Sydney waiting for the right candidates.
>>
>> Its strange as we're having a hard time finding people, if you have
>> anyone you know that is pretty awesome in the above, please tell them we're
>> looking for great people to help us out.  Perk of employment is the free
>> entry to our own monorail carriage ;-).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Daniel Watson <daniel at glovine.com.au>wrote:
>>
>>>  Gday Noggers
>>>
>>>  Thought I would take this opportunity to raise this thread again since
>>> I am still actively looking for a position in Melbourne,
>>>
>>>  I am currently seeking a junior based networking role / traineeship in
>>> the networking sector,
>>>
>>>  Possible government funding is available as an incentive,
>>>
>>>  If you would like to learn about any of my previous experience or have
>>> a chat please feel free to respond and I can send through my resume upon
>>> request.
>>>
>>>  Looking forward to hearing from you.
>>>
>>>  TIA
>>>
>>>  Daniel.
>>>
>>>       ------------------------------
>>> *From:* AusNOG [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] on behalf of Daniel
>>> Watson [daniel at glovine.com.au]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:03 PM
>>> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>> *Subject:* [AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based
>>>
>>>    Gday Noggers,
>>>
>>>  I know this seems a bit odd, and not what this mailing list was
>>> designed for,  But would get the best exposure to the industry,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anybody based around SouthEast Melbourne or Melbourne
>>> CBD was looking at hiring an individual to join their team in the
>>> networking industry?
>>>
>>> Looking for a junior based network/system administrator based roles
>>>
>>> Please reply off-list if interested or require any further information
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> D.
>>>
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