[AusNOG] Mynetfone outage?
Skeeve Stevens
skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
Fri Nov 15 18:21:08 EST 2013
One would assume they use their own product ;-)
But... one would assume that if you were a voip provider that you would
have a redundant path to your own support system..
This said... makes for a valid discussion surrounding ISPs, many who use
VoIP, and run it over their own networks.
I remember the days when Comindico/Soul has network problems and their
phone system would go down with it.... very frustrating at the time.
...Skeeve
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On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Jason Clarke <jason.clarke at esoip.com>wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is anyone experiencing issues with mynetfone.
>
> We cannot currently make or receive any calls and I cannot get a hold of
> business support - it just rings out.
>
> Thanks,
>
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> 1. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
> (Mark Newton)
> 2. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
> (Geordie Guy)
> 3. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
> (Mark Newton)
> 4. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
> (Damian Guppy)
> 5. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
> (Mark Newton)
> 6. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
> (Julian DeMarchi)
> 7. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
> (Skeeve Stevens)
> 8. Pipe Networks | TPG (Andrew McLeod)
> 9. Re: Pipe Networks | TPG (Alex Samad - Yieldbroker)
> 10. Re: Pipe Networks | TPG (Ross [Eve IT])
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:03:03 +1100
> From: Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
> To: Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>
> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
> ISPs
> Message-ID: <422BE176-1A2B-4328-B1F7-A5F3C6C98012 at atdot.dotat.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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>
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to the
> US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for comment
> as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new government
> will have a different position.
>
> "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?
>
> I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's
> possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.
>
> If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do it
> for you?
>
> - mark
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:16:17 +1100
> From: Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com>
> To: Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
> ISPs
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> What's Turnbull got to do with it?
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to
> > > the
> > US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for
> > comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new
> > government will have a different position.
> >
> > "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?
> >
> > I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's
> > possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.
> >
> > If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do
> > it for you?
> >
> > - mark
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:18:20 +1100
> From: Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
> To: Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com>
> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
> ISPs
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> On 14 Nov 2013, at 3:16 pm, Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What's Turnbull got to do with it?
>
> DFAT doesn't operate in a vacuum.
>
> But you're right, it's Andrew Robb's bailiwick.
>
> - mark
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:19:07 -0800
> From: Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>
> To: Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com>, Mark Newton
> <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
> ISPs
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>
> I was thinking an industry body or tech journo would be better than
> little old me. Turnbull because he is comms minister and ISP issues would
> be best addressed by him to cabinet.
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ------------------------------
> From: Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com>
> Sent: 14/11/2013 12:16 PM
> To: Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
> Cc: Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
>
> What's Turnbull got to do with it?
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to
> > > the
> > US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for
> > comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new
> > government will have a different position.
> >
> > "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?
> >
> > I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's
> > possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.
> >
> > If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do
> > it for you?
> >
> > - mark
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:21:07 +1100
> From: Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
> To: Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>
> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
> ISPs
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> On 14 Nov 2013, at 3:19 pm, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I was thinking an industry body or tech journo would be better than
> little old me.
>
> It isn't an either/or.
>
> > Turnbull because he is comms minister and ISP issues would be best
> addressed by him to cabinet.
>
> Local member, Robb and Turnbull would be best recipients. They aren't
> either/or either.
>
> - mark
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:22:33 +1000
> From: Julian DeMarchi <julian at jdcomputers.com.au>
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
> ISPs
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> On 11/14/2013 02:19 PM, Damian Guppy wrote:
> > I was thinking an industry body or tech journo would be better than
> > little old me. Turnbull because he is comms minister and ISP issues
> > would be best addressed by him to cabinet.
>
> Does the AusNOG board have the capacity to issue something on behalf of
> the ISP industry?
>
> Maybe we as a community could form a group to come up with a group
> response to this if AusNOG is not able too?
>
> --julian
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:15:43 +1100
> From: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
> To: Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
> ISPs
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> Maybe approaching the industry bodies?
>
> AIIA
> ISOC-AU
> ACCAN
> others.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>
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> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to
> > > the
> > US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for
> > comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new
> > government will have a different position.
> >
> > "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?
> >
> > I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's
> > possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.
> >
> > If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do
> > it for you?
> >
> > - mark
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 06:03:00 +1000
> From: Andrew McLeod <AMcLeod at sanitytechnology.com.au>
> To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: [AusNOG] Pipe Networks | TPG
> Message-ID:
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> TPG seems to be experiencing another international outage this morning.
> Similar thing experienced yesterday afternoon.
>
> Curiously when doing a test from route-views.oregon-ix.net<
> http://route-views.oregon-ix.net>, a traceroute and ping to
> www.pipenetworks.com<http://www.pipenetworks.com>'s IPv4 address failed
> whilst the IPv6 address was reachable.
>
> 6 10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.pao1.he.net<http://core1.pao1.he.net/>(184.105.222.173)
> 65.583 ms 64.043 ms 64.161 ms
> 7 10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net<http://core1.sjc1.he.net/>(72.52.92.114)
> 68.897 ms 69.169 ms 69.390 ms
> 8 tpg-internet-pty-ltd.10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.sjc1.he.net<
> http://core1.sjc1.he.net/> (72.52.66.22) 234.312 ms 234.511 ms 234.468 ms
> 9 syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au<
> http://syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au/>(203.26.22.21) 233.917 ms
> 234.083 ms 234.199 ms
> 10 * * *
> 11 * * *
>
> Regards,
> Andrew
>
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 2:31 pm, "Skeeve Stevens" <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>
> Maybe approaching the industry bodies?
>
> AIIA
> ISOC-AU
> ACCAN
> others.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com
> <mailto:skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com> ; www.eintellegonetworks.com<
> http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/>
>
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> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org
> <mailto:newton at atdot.dotat.org>> wrote:
>
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com<mailto:
> the.damo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to the
> US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for comment
> as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new government
> will have a different position.
>
> "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?
>
> I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's
> possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.
>
> If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do it
> for you?
>
> - mark
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:11:51 +0000
> From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>
> To: Andrew McLeod <AMcLeod at sanitytechnology.com.au>,
> "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Pipe Networks | TPG
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> From OS, one of our guys is OS? started about 6:00 am for us
>
> 11 be2072.mpd22.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.226) 194.873 ms
> be2068.mpd22.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.158) 206.991 ms *
> 12 be2022.ccr22.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.2) 481.611 ms
> be2019.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.10) 421.093 ms
> be2067.mpd21.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.162) 950.917 ms
> 13 38.104.210.10 (38.104.210.10) 958.569 ms
> be2022.ccr22.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.2) 1468.733 ms
> as7545-tpg-telecom.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.82.130) 754.401 ms
> 14 * * 38.104.83.194 (38.104.83.194) 1729.311 ms
> 15 * * *
> 16 * * *
> 17 * * *
> 18 * * *
> 19 * * *
> 20 * * *
> 21 * * *
> 22 * * *
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>
>
> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Andrew
> McLeod
> Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 7:03 AM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: [AusNOG] Pipe Networks | TPG
>
> TPG seems to be experiencing another international outage this morning.
> Similar thing experienced yesterday afternoon.
>
> Curiously when doing a test from route-views.oregon-ix.net<
> http://route-views.oregon-ix.net>, a traceroute and ping to
> www.pipenetworks.com<http://www.pipenetworks.com>'s IPv4 address failed
> whilst the IPv6 address was reachable.
>
> 6 10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.pao1.he.net<http://core1.pao1.he.net/>(184.105.222.173)
> 65.583 ms 64.043 ms 64.161 ms
> 7 10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net<http://core1.sjc1.he.net/>(72.52.92.114)
> 68.897 ms 69.169 ms 69.390 ms
> 8 tpg-internet-pty-ltd.10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.sjc1.he.net<
> http://core1.sjc1.he.net/> (72.52.66.22) 234.312 ms 234.511 ms 234.468 ms
> 9 syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au<
> http://syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au/>(203.26.22.21) 233.917 ms
> 234.083 ms 234.199 ms
> 10 * * *
> 11 * * *
>
>
> Regards,
> Andrew
>
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 2:31 pm, "Skeeve Stevens" <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
> Maybe approaching the industry bodies?
>
> AIIA
> ISOC-AU
> ACCAN
> others.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com
> <mailto:skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com> ; www.eintellegonetworks.com<
> http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/>
>
> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>
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> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org
> <mailto:newton at atdot.dotat.org>> wrote:
>
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com<mailto:
> the.damo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to the
> US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for comment
> as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new government
> will have a different position.
>
> "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?
>
> I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's
> possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.
>
> If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do it
> for you?
>
> - mark
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:39:14 +1100
> From: "Ross [Eve IT]" <ross at eve-it.net>
> To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Pipe Networks | TPG
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> Yep, saw that too.
>
> AEDT
> 15/11/2013 05:57:09AM
> 15/11/2013 06:47:09AM
> Total downtime: 50m
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Andrew McLeod <
> AMcLeod at sanitytechnology.com.au> wrote:
>
> > TPG seems to be experiencing another international outage this morning.
> > Similar thing experienced yesterday afternoon.
> >
> > Curiously when doing a test from route-views.oregon-ix.net, a
> > traceroute and ping to www.pipenetworks.com's IPv4 address failed
> > whilst the IPv6 address was reachable.
> >
> > 6 10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.pao1.he.net(184.105.222.173) 65.583 ms
> > 64.043 ms 64.161 ms
> > 7 10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net(72.52.92.114) 68.897 ms
> > 69.169 ms 69.390 ms
> > 8 tpg-internet-pty-ltd.10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.sjc1.he.net
> > (72.52.66.22)
> > 234.312 ms 234.511 ms 234.468 ms
> > 9 syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au(203.26.22.21) 233.917 ms 234.083
> > ms
> > 234.199 ms
> > 10 * * *
> > 11 * * *
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew
> >
> > On 14 Nov 2013, at 2:31 pm, "Skeeve Stevens" <
> > skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe approaching the industry bodies?
> >
> > AIIA
> > ISOC-AU
> > ACCAN
> > others.
> >
> >
> > ...Skeeve
> >
> > *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
> > skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
> >
> > Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
> >
> > facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; <http://twitter.com/networkceoau>
> > linkedin.com/in/skeeve
> >
> > twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
> >
> >
> > The Experts Who The Experts Call
> > Juniper - Cisco - Cloud
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to
> >> > the
> >> US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for
> >> comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new
> >> government will have a different position.
> >>
> >> "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?
> >>
> >> I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's
> >> possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.
> >>
> >> If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do
> >> it for you?
> >>
> >> - mark
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> --
> Regards,
>
> Ross Tsolakidis
> IT Architect
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