<div dir="ltr">One would assume they use their own product ;-)<div><br></div><div>But... one would assume that if you were a voip provider that you would have a redundant path to your own support system..</div><div><br></div>
<div>This said... makes for a valid discussion surrounding ISPs, many who use VoIP, and run it over their own networks.</div><div><br></div><div>I remember the days when Comindico/Soul has network problems and their phone system would go down with it.... very frustrating at the time.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Jason Clarke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jason.clarke@esoip.com" target="_blank">jason.clarke@esoip.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br>
Is anyone experiencing issues with mynetfone.<br>
<br>
We cannot currently make or receive any calls and I cannot get a hold of business support - it just rings out.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
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1. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs<br>
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2. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs<br>
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3. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs<br>
(Mark Newton)<br>
4. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs<br>
(Damian Guppy)<br>
5. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs<br>
(Mark Newton)<br>
6. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs<br>
(Julian DeMarchi)<br>
7. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs<br>
(Skeeve Stevens)<br>
8. Pipe Networks | TPG (Andrew McLeod)<br>
9. Re: Pipe Networks | TPG (Alex Samad - Yieldbroker)<br>
10. Re: Pipe Networks | TPG (Ross [Eve IT])<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:03:03 +1100<br>
From: Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>><br>
To: Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for<br>
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On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to the US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new government will have a different position.<br>
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"Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?<br>
<br>
I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.<br>
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If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do it for you?<br>
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- mark<br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:16:17 +1100<br>
From: Geordie Guy <<a href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com">elomis@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for<br>
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What's Turnbull got to do with it?<br>
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On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to<br>
> > the<br>
> US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for<br>
> comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new<br>
> government will have a different position.<br>
><br>
> "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?<br>
><br>
> I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's<br>
> possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.<br>
><br>
> If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do<br>
> it for you?<br>
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> - mark<br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:18:20 +1100<br>
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> What's Turnbull got to do with it?<br>
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DFAT doesn't operate in a vacuum.<br>
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But you're right, it's Andrew Robb's bailiwick.<br>
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:19:07 -0800<br>
From: Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Geordie Guy <<a href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com">elomis@gmail.com</a>>, Mark Newton<br>
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I was thinking an industry body or tech journo would be better than little old me. Turnbull because he is comms minister and ISP issues would be best addressed by him to cabinet.<br>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs<br>
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What's Turnbull got to do with it?<br>
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On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to<br>
> > the<br>
> US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for<br>
> comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new<br>
> government will have a different position.<br>
><br>
> "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?<br>
><br>
> I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's<br>
> possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.<br>
><br>
> If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do<br>
> it for you?<br>
><br>
> - mark<br>
><br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:21:07 +1100<br>
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> I was thinking an industry body or tech journo would be better than little old me.<br>
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It isn't an either/or.<br>
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> Turnbull because he is comms minister and ISP issues would be best addressed by him to cabinet.<br>
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Local member, Robb and Turnbull would be best recipients. They aren't either/or either.<br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:22:33 +1000<br>
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On 11/14/2013 02:19 PM, Damian Guppy wrote:<br>
> I was thinking an industry body or tech journo would be better than<br>
> little old me. Turnbull because he is comms minister and ISP issues<br>
> would be best addressed by him to cabinet.<br>
<br>
Does the AusNOG board have the capacity to issue something on behalf of the ISP industry?<br>
<br>
Maybe we as a community could form a group to come up with a group response to this if AusNOG is not able too?<br>
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--julian<br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:15:43 +1100<br>
From: Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>><br>
To: Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>><br>
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Maybe approaching the industry bodies?<br>
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AIIA<br>
ISOC-AU<br>
ACCAN<br>
others.<br>
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...Skeeve<br>
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On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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><br>
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to<br>
> > the<br>
> US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for<br>
> comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new<br>
> government will have a different position.<br>
><br>
> "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?<br>
><br>
> I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's<br>
> possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.<br>
><br>
> If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do<br>
> it for you?<br>
><br>
> - mark<br>
><br>
><br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 06:03:00 +1000<br>
From: Andrew McLeod <<a href="mailto:AMcLeod@sanitytechnology.com.au">AMcLeod@sanitytechnology.com.au</a>><br>
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TPG seems to be experiencing another international outage this morning. Similar thing experienced yesterday afternoon.<br>
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Curiously when doing a test from <a href="http://route-views.oregon-ix.net" target="_blank">route-views.oregon-ix.net</a><<a href="http://route-views.oregon-ix.net" target="_blank">http://route-views.oregon-ix.net</a>>, a traceroute and ping to <a href="http://www.pipenetworks.com" target="_blank">www.pipenetworks.com</a><<a href="http://www.pipenetworks.com" target="_blank">http://www.pipenetworks.com</a>>'s IPv4 address failed whilst the IPv6 address was reachable.<br>
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6 <a href="http://10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.pao1.he.net" target="_blank">10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.pao1.he.net</a><<a href="http://core1.pao1.he.net/" target="_blank">http://core1.pao1.he.net/</a>>(184.105.222.173) 65.583 ms 64.043 ms 64.161 ms<br>
7 <a href="http://10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net" target="_blank">10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net</a><<a href="http://core1.sjc1.he.net/" target="_blank">http://core1.sjc1.he.net/</a>>(72.52.92.114) 68.897 ms 69.169 ms 69.390 ms<br>
8 <a href="http://tpg-internet-pty-ltd.10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.sjc1.he.net" target="_blank">tpg-internet-pty-ltd.10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.sjc1.he.net</a><<a href="http://core1.sjc1.he.net/" target="_blank">http://core1.sjc1.he.net/</a>> (72.52.66.22) 234.312 ms 234.511 ms 234.468 ms<br>
9 <a href="http://syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au" target="_blank">syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au</a><<a href="http://syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au/" target="_blank">http://syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au/</a>>(203.26.22.21) 233.917 ms 234.083 ms 234.199 ms<br>
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Maybe approaching the industry bodies?<br>
<br>
AIIA<br>
ISOC-AU<br>
ACCAN<br>
others.<br>
<br>
<br>
...Skeeve<br>
<br>
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On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
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On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to the US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new government will have a different position.<br>
<br>
"Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?<br>
<br>
I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.<br>
<br>
If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do it for you?<br>
<br>
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To: Andrew McLeod <<a href="mailto:AMcLeod@sanitytechnology.com.au">AMcLeod@sanitytechnology.com.au</a>>,<br>
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>From OS, one of our guys is OS? started about 6:00 am for us<br>
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11 <a href="http://be2072.mpd22.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com" target="_blank">be2072.mpd22.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com</a> (154.54.0.226) 194.873 ms<br>
<a href="http://be2068.mpd22.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com" target="_blank">be2068.mpd22.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com</a> (154.54.7.158) 206.991 ms *<br>
12 <a href="http://be2022.ccr22.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com" target="_blank">be2022.ccr22.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com</a> (154.54.88.2) 481.611 ms<br>
<a href="http://be2019.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com" target="_blank">be2019.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com</a> (154.54.88.10) 421.093 ms<br>
<a href="http://be2067.mpd21.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com" target="_blank">be2067.mpd21.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com</a> (154.54.7.162) 950.917 ms<br>
13 38.104.210.10 (38.104.210.10) 958.569 ms<br>
<a href="http://be2022.ccr22.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com" target="_blank">be2022.ccr22.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com</a> (154.54.88.2) 1468.733 ms<br>
<a href="http://as7545-tpg-telecom.demarc.cogentco.com" target="_blank">as7545-tpg-telecom.demarc.cogentco.com</a> (38.104.82.130) 754.401 ms<br>
14 * * 38.104.83.194 (38.104.83.194) 1729.311 ms<br>
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From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Andrew McLeod<br>
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 7:03 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
Subject: [AusNOG] Pipe Networks | TPG<br>
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TPG seems to be experiencing another international outage this morning. Similar thing experienced yesterday afternoon.<br>
<br>
Curiously when doing a test from <a href="http://route-views.oregon-ix.net" target="_blank">route-views.oregon-ix.net</a><<a href="http://route-views.oregon-ix.net" target="_blank">http://route-views.oregon-ix.net</a>>, a traceroute and ping to <a href="http://www.pipenetworks.com" target="_blank">www.pipenetworks.com</a><<a href="http://www.pipenetworks.com" target="_blank">http://www.pipenetworks.com</a>>'s IPv4 address failed whilst the IPv6 address was reachable.<br>
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6 <a href="http://10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.pao1.he.net" target="_blank">10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.pao1.he.net</a><<a href="http://core1.pao1.he.net/" target="_blank">http://core1.pao1.he.net/</a>>(184.105.222.173) 65.583 ms 64.043 ms 64.161 ms<br>
7 <a href="http://10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net" target="_blank">10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net</a><<a href="http://core1.sjc1.he.net/" target="_blank">http://core1.sjc1.he.net/</a>>(72.52.92.114) 68.897 ms 69.169 ms 69.390 ms<br>
8 <a href="http://tpg-internet-pty-ltd.10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.sjc1.he.net" target="_blank">tpg-internet-pty-ltd.10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.sjc1.he.net</a><<a href="http://core1.sjc1.he.net/" target="_blank">http://core1.sjc1.he.net/</a>> (72.52.66.22) 234.312 ms 234.511 ms 234.468 ms<br>
9 <a href="http://syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au" target="_blank">syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au</a><<a href="http://syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au/" target="_blank">http://syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au/</a>>(203.26.22.21) 233.917 ms 234.083 ms 234.199 ms<br>
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Andrew<br>
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On 14 Nov 2013, at 2:31 pm, "Skeeve Stevens" <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
Maybe approaching the industry bodies?<br>
<br>
AIIA<br>
ISOC-AU<br>
ACCAN<br>
others.<br>
<br>
<br>
...Skeeve<br>
<br>
Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd <a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a><<a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/</a>><br>
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On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
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On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to the US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new government will have a different position.<br>
<br>
"Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?<br>
<br>
I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.<br>
<br>
If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do it for you?<br>
<br>
- mark<br>
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:39:14 +1100<br>
From: "Ross [Eve IT]" <<a href="mailto:ross@eve-it.net">ross@eve-it.net</a>><br>
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Yep, saw that too.<br>
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AEDT<br>
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Total downtime: 50m<br>
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On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Andrew McLeod < <a href="mailto:AMcLeod@sanitytechnology.com.au">AMcLeod@sanitytechnology.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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> TPG seems to be experiencing another international outage this morning.<br>
> Similar thing experienced yesterday afternoon.<br>
><br>
> Curiously when doing a test from <a href="http://route-views.oregon-ix.net" target="_blank">route-views.oregon-ix.net</a>, a<br>
> traceroute and ping to <a href="http://www.pipenetworks.com" target="_blank">www.pipenetworks.com</a>'s IPv4 address failed<br>
> whilst the IPv6 address was reachable.<br>
><br>
> 6 <a href="http://10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.pao1.he.net" target="_blank">10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.pao1.he.net</a>(184.105.222.173) 65.583 ms<br>
> 64.043 ms 64.161 ms<br>
> 7 <a href="http://10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net" target="_blank">10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net</a>(72.52.92.114) 68.897 ms<br>
> 69.169 ms 69.390 ms<br>
> 8 <a href="http://tpg-internet-pty-ltd.10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.sjc1.he.net" target="_blank">tpg-internet-pty-ltd.10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.sjc1.he.net</a><br>
> (72.52.66.22)<br>
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> 9 <a href="http://syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au" target="_blank">syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au</a>(203.26.22.21) 233.917 ms 234.083<br>
> ms<br>
> 234.199 ms<br>
> 10 * * *<br>
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> Regards,<br>
> Andrew<br>
><br>
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 2:31 pm, "Skeeve Stevens" <<br>
> <a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Maybe approaching the industry bodies?<br>
><br>
> AIIA<br>
> ISOC-AU<br>
> ACCAN<br>
> others.<br>
><br>
><br>
> ...Skeeve<br>
><br>
> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd<br>
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> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>>wrote:<br>
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>><br>
>> On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to<br>
>> > the<br>
>> US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for<br>
>> comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new<br>
>> government will have a different position.<br>
>><br>
>> "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?<br>
>><br>
>> I'd expect everyone on this list to do it. It's hard to see how it's<br>
>> possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.<br>
>><br>
>> If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do<br>
>> it for you?<br>
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