[AusNOG] You down with 313? Yeah you know me! Who's down with 313? The D-B-C-D-E!

Fri May 31 23:01:59 EST 2013

I'm not attempting to defend the companies issuing these requests, nor the
process itself, however... (a worrying phrase).

Quite a few moons ago at $ISP we found that the various copyright holders
started signing these infringement emails. I can only fathom this was done
to try and prevent the argument of "we cannot verify the authenticity of
the sender, so... TRASH!" Along with this change, a few resources were
provided; such as an example perl script provided by one studio in
particular... Which had in the todo list 'Add OpenPGP support to verify
email message authenticity'... Which doesn't appear to have changed since
2003 (http://mpto.unistudios.com/xml/)

...

There was also an XML schema that had been 'implemented' for automatic
processing of infringement requests. As if an ISP would pipe emails
straight into a Perl script, hook into their account system and fire off
"Naughty! Naughty!" emails en masse. I say 'implemented' as there was no
real standard schema between the various copyright holders, nor template
short of it *actually* being an email of some form. It also looks like they
haven't really bothered putting any additional thought into the system
since (if the old link above is anything to go by), whether scraped or not
I'm unsure.

All this having been said, I haven't seen an infringement email in a long
time, so there's always a chance that more effort  has been put into them
since then. However, at the time at least, the whole 'system' seemed to
have been implemented rather lazily on the copyright holder's part so I'm
not really sure they expected the system to work at all in the first
place...

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daniel Cross <daniel at ritualmedia.co.nz>wrote:

> The reference to my experience with MPAA/RIAA was simply to relate to the
> issue, and to make a comment on the fact that in that case, these
> organisations would send through a request via email.  Plaintext email is
> an insecure communication.  These messages could be intercepted and altered
> or blocked.  It is also a trivial matter to spoof an email.
>
> I feel like your case of dealing with a cyber bully is different to
> blocking content available to the public, however in this case I would hope
> that there be better options than blocking the bullies IP, such as a
> restraining order; police charges; termination of the users account with
> their ISP etc, all of which deal with the matter actively against the bully
> as an individual.
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:
>
>>   I can't tell if you are suggesting so or not but MPAA/RIAA would not
>> be able to issue a Section 313 request based on my basic interpretation of
>> the legislation (i.e. they are not Australian agencies that protect public
>> revenue or enforce law).
>>
>>  BUT a thought that came to mind would be if I had a "cyber-bully" who
>> happened to be coming from a static IP address, I could potentially take
>> the complaint to my local police station, and that police station issue a
>> section 313 request to the owner of those IP's to stop that user getting
>> online. Potentially.
>>
>>
>> On 31/05/13 12:52, Daniel Cross wrote:
>>
>>   It's been a while since I worked in an ISP, but I remember MPAA/RIAA
>> requests coming through via email, which back then we regularly just
>> binned.  Which in this regard has been making me wonder....
>>
>>  How are these requests even verified to be real? How are they submitted?
>> How are they recieved? Is there a secure communication channel? Who, within
>> an ISP, has the authority to authorise the requests?  Is an ISP bound to
>> secrecy?  If not, would they please publish all domain and/or IPs blocked,
>> as well as their policy for dealing with such requests.  If they are bound
>> to secrecy, I think this needs to be pushed and highlighted.
>>
>>  This is a serious concern.  Independant oversight and transparency
>> should be top of the list here.  An immediate refusal from ISPs to honour
>> these requests if they can not verify and publish would be an appreciated
>> move also.  I'm all over the forehead slapping here.
>>
>>  Daniel.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Jared Hirst <
>> jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>  And that they needed to ‘discuss’ if Asio was at the last night
>>> meeting….
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
>>> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *James Hodgkinson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:58 PM
>>> *To:* Narelle
>>> *Cc:* AusNOG
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] You down with 313? Yeah you know me! Who's down
>>> with 313? The D-B-C-D-E!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't help but laugh when the guy said "helpful minister is being
>>> helpful" :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 May 2013 21:45, Narelle <narellec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mate.
>>>
>>> We're *all* over this one.
>>>
>>> See www.isoc-au.org.au for my last press release.
>>>
>>> What's needed?
>>> In one word: oversight.
>>> Oh and another: reasonable.
>>>
>>> Not to mention precision, justifiable....
>>>
>>> But please folks, don't just jump if you hear the words "national" and
>>> "security" in a sentence.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Narelle Clark
>>> President
>>> Internet Society of Australia
>>>
>>> On May 30, 2013 1:59 PM, "Tim March" <march.tim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Worth a watch for those who followed the ASIC/Over-blocking issue a few
>>> weeks back...
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s91RKbmk-fM
>>>
>>> Via @SenatorLudlam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> T.
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