<div dir="ltr"><div style>I'm not attempting to defend the companies issuing these requests, nor the process itself, however... (a worrying phrase).</div><div style><br></div><div style>Quite a few moons ago at $ISP we found that the various copyright holders started signing these infringement emails. I can only fathom this was done to try and prevent the argument of "we cannot verify the authenticity of the sender, so... TRASH!" Along with this change, a few resources were provided; such as an example perl script provided by one studio in particular... Which had in the todo list '<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap">Add OpenPGP support to verify email message authenticity'... Which doesn't appear to have changed since 2003 </span>(<a href="http://mpto.unistudios.com/xml/">http://mpto.unistudios.com/xml/</a>)</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>...</div><div style><br></div><div style>There was also an XML schema that had been 'implemented' for automatic processing of infringement requests. As if an ISP would pipe emails straight into a Perl script, hook into their account system and fire off "Naughty! Naughty!" emails en masse. I say 'implemented' as there was no real standard schema between the various copyright holders, nor template short of it *actually* being an email of some form. It also looks like they haven't really bothered putting any additional thought into the system since (if the old link above is anything to go by), whether scraped or not I'm unsure.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>All this having been said, I haven't seen an infringement email in a long time, so there's always a chance that more effort has been put into them since then. However, at the time at least, the whole 'system' seemed to have been implemented rather lazily on the copyright holder's part so I'm not really sure they expected the system to work at all in the first place...</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daniel Cross <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:daniel@ritualmedia.co.nz" target="_blank">daniel@ritualmedia.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>The reference to my experience with MPAA/RIAA was simply to relate
to the issue, and to make a comment on the fact that in that case, these
organisations would send through a request via email. Plaintext email
is an insecure communication. These messages could be intercepted and
altered or blocked. It is also a trivial matter to spoof an email.<br>
<br></div>I feel like your case of dealing with a cyber bully is
different to blocking content available to the public, however in this
case I would hope that there be better options than blocking the bullies
IP, such as a restraining order; police charges; termination of the
users account with their ISP etc, all of which deal with the matter
actively against the bully as an individual.</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Joseph Goldman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe@apcs.com.au" target="_blank">joe@apcs.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div> I can't tell if you are suggesting so
or not but MPAA/RIAA would not be able to issue a Section 313
request based on my basic interpretation of the legislation (i.e.
they are not Australian agencies that protect public revenue or
enforce law).<br>
<br>
BUT a thought that came to mind would be if I had a "cyber-bully"
who happened to be coming from a static IP address, I could
potentially take the complaint to my local police station, and
that police station issue a section 313 request to the owner of
those IP's to stop that user getting online. Potentially.<div><div><br>
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On 31/05/13 12:52, Daniel Cross wrote:<br>
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<div>It's been a while since I worked in an ISP, but I
remember MPAA/RIAA requests coming through via email,
which back then we regularly just binned. Which in this
regard has been making me wonder....<br>
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How are these requests even verified to be real? How are
they submitted? How are they recieved? Is there a secure
communication channel? Who, within an ISP, has the authority
to authorise the requests? Is an ISP bound to secrecy? If
not, would they please publish all domain and/or IPs
blocked, as well as their policy for dealing with such
requests. If they are bound to secrecy, I think this needs
to be pushed and highlighted.<br>
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This is a serious concern. Independant oversight and
transparency should be top of the list here. An immediate
refusal from ISPs to honour these requests if they can not
verify and publish would be an appreciated move also. I'm all
over the forehead slapping here.<br>
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<div>Daniel.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:29 PM,
Jared Hirst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And
that they needed to ‘discuss’ if Asio was at the
last night meeting….</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Hodgkinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Narelle<br>
<b>Cc:</b> AusNOG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] You down with 313?
Yeah you know me! Who's down with 313? The
D-B-C-D-E!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I can't help but laugh when
the guy said "helpful minister is being
helpful" :)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 30 May 2013 21:45,
Narelle <<a href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com" target="_blank">narellec@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p><br>
Mate.</p>
<p>We're *all* over this one.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.isoc-au.org.au" target="_blank">www.isoc-au.org.au</a> for
my last press release.</p>
<p>What's needed?<br>
In one word: oversight.<br>
Oh and another: reasonable.</p>
<p>Not to mention precision, justifiable....</p>
<p>But please folks, don't just jump if you
hear the words "national" and "security" in
a sentence.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Narelle Clark<br>
President<br>
Internet Society of Australia </p>
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1:59 PM, "Tim March" <<a href="mailto:march.tim@gmail.com" target="_blank">march.tim@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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Worth a watch for those who followed
the ASIC/Over-blocking issue a few
weeks back...<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s91RKbmk-fM" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s91RKbmk-fM</a><br>
<br>
Via @SenatorLudlam<br>
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T.<br>
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