[AusNOG] Confirmation of govt blackholing. Was: Re: Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.

[Jake Anderson]

Just a quick anecdote,
When I was working in the telephone field we'd sometimes get requests 
for call logs from AFP and others that were a formatted a bit oddly.
usually they were calls from number X to number Y date range of Z.

Sometimes they were more involved.
So I decided to call them back (they usually had a contact number on the 
bit of paper of the person making the request)
After talking to them and finding out what they were really after, a few 
carefully worded SQL statements led to some rather dramatic "results" in 
terms of arresting baddies. (these people really were baddies).

The point I'm making is this.
I don't think anybody here would object to strongly to killing off a 
scammers website.
We all understand that the people who are "in power" may not know the 
best way of achieving their goal but often our interests are aligned.
They are people too (well most of them) talk to them and see if you can 
come up with an "everybody wins" solution that doesn't involve 
blackholing somebody noisy.


On 16/05/13 08:41, Mark Newton wrote:
>
>
> On 16/05/2013, at 6:04, Chris Macko <cmacko at intervolve.com.au 
> <mailto:cmacko at intervolve.com.au>> wrote:
>
>> I'd feel this is exactly what will you get when unsavvy-tech 
>> politicians start tinkering with the internet.
>
> I think it's what happens when a politically unsavvy industry lets the 
> government walk all over them.
>
> This thread wouldn't exist if the handful of ISPs who have bent-over 
> the deepest had maintained expectations of "reasonableness" required 
> by section 313.
>
> A section 313 notice isn't an order, it's a request for reasonable 
> assistance which can be denied. If the requester doesn't like the 
> denial, they get to ask the Federal Court for an order to compel. In 
> the absence of such an order, a recipient of a notice who says "No, it 
> is not reasonable to block thousands of law abiding websites just 
> because you have an unproven allegation that someone on the internet 
> is running a scam," is on stable ground.
>
> Basically: show some backbone.
>
> It is totally normal in Australia for regulators to pretend they have 
> vast coercive powers which haven't actually been granted to them by 
> the Parliament. Make them prove it. As an industry, you have to use 
> the courts to find out where the limits are, otherwise there'll be no 
> limits.
>
>> A message for Senator Conroy and others currently in office: Stay out 
>> and leave it to the experts (the overall IT business community and 
>> experts within),
>
> Senator Conroy's response: "Hahaha. Or... What?"
>
> He doesn't care. He's always harboured a deep and unabiding loathing 
> for pretty much the entire Internet industry. Why should he listen?
>
>    - mark
>
>
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