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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Just a quick anecdote,<br>
When I was working in the telephone field we'd sometimes get
requests for call logs from AFP and others that were a formatted a
bit oddly.<br>
usually they were calls from number X to number Y date range of Z.<br>
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Sometimes they were more involved. <br>
So I decided to call them back (they usually had a contact number
on the bit of paper of the person making the request)<br>
After talking to them and finding out what they were really after,
a few carefully worded SQL statements led to some rather dramatic
"results" in terms of arresting baddies. (these people really were
baddies).<br>
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The point I'm making is this.<br>
I don't think anybody here would object to strongly to killing off
a scammers website.<br>
We all understand that the people who are "in power" may not know
the best way of achieving their goal but often our interests are
aligned.<br>
They are people too (well most of them) talk to them and see if
you can come up with an "everybody wins" solution that doesn't
involve blackholing somebody noisy.<br>
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On 16/05/13 08:41, Mark Newton wrote:<br>
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On 16/05/2013, at 6:04, Chris Macko <<a
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="613352120-15052013"><font
size="2" face="Tahoma">I'd feel this is exactly what
will you get when unsavvy-tech politicians start
tinkering with the internet. </font></span></div>
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<div>I think it's what happens when a politically unsavvy industry
lets the government walk all over them.</div>
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<div>This thread wouldn't exist if the handful of ISPs who have
bent-over the deepest had maintained expectations of
"reasonableness" required by section 313. </div>
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<div>A section 313 notice isn't an order, it's a request for
reasonable assistance which can be denied. If the requester
doesn't like the denial, they get to ask the Federal Court for
an order to compel. In the absence of such an order, a recipient
of a notice who says "No, it is not reasonable to block
thousands of law abiding websites just because you have an
unproven allegation that someone on the internet is running a
scam," is on stable ground.</div>
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<div>Basically: show some backbone.</div>
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<div>It is totally normal in Australia for regulators to pretend
they have vast coercive powers which haven't actually been
granted to them by the Parliament. Make them prove it. As an
industry, you have to use the courts to find out where the
limits are, otherwise there'll be no limits.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="613352120-15052013"><font
size="2" face="Tahoma">A message for Senator Conroy and
others currently in office: Stay out and leave it to the
experts (the overall IT business community and experts
within), </font></span></div>
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<div>Senator Conroy's response: "Hahaha. Or... What?"</div>
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<div>He doesn't care. He's always harboured a deep and unabiding
loathing for pretty much the entire Internet industry. Why
should he listen?</div>
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<div> - mark</div>
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